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		By: Jim		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/can-church-support-vaccines-knowing-made-fetal-matter/#comment-35441</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2016 17:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So, refute it, then, Derek.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, refute it, then, Derek.</p>
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		By: Jim		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/can-church-support-vaccines-knowing-made-fetal-matter/#comment-35440</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2016 17:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/can-church-support-vaccines-knowing-made-fetal-matter/#comment-35249&quot;&gt;Cassandove&lt;/a&gt;.

So much for &quot;freedom&quot; and &quot;liberty&quot; that I hear so much about from Latter-day Saints.  &quot;Mandatory&quot; anything takes away liberty.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/can-church-support-vaccines-knowing-made-fetal-matter/#comment-35249">Cassandove</a>.</p>
<p>So much for &#8220;freedom&#8221; and &#8220;liberty&#8221; that I hear so much about from Latter-day Saints.  &#8220;Mandatory&#8221; anything takes away liberty.</p>
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		By: Joe		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/can-church-support-vaccines-knowing-made-fetal-matter/#comment-35322</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2016 19:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/can-church-support-vaccines-knowing-made-fetal-matter/#comment-35302&quot;&gt;Roxanna Peterson&lt;/a&gt;.

Amen to that. Well said.]]></description>
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<p>Amen to that. Well said.</p>
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		By: Roxanna Peterson		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/can-church-support-vaccines-knowing-made-fetal-matter/#comment-35302</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roxanna Peterson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2016 07:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/can-church-support-vaccines-knowing-made-fetal-matter/#comment-35249&quot;&gt;Cassandove&lt;/a&gt;.

I think it&#039;s fair to say it&#039;s never wrong to question something just because someone shared their testimony - even if it&#039;s a General authority. Aren&#039;t we invited to ask God? I believe if we listen to the Spirit we can be led to make the right choices for OUR families. For some that will mean vaccinating. For others it might mean moving to a new city or switching schools. Isn&#039;t the interesting thing about the plan that the path is the same with billions of variables? We all have reasons for vaccinating or not vaccinating. Everyone needs to breathe for a second. My kids are vaccinated but I don&#039;t feel that anyone should be forced to do one thing or another. If we&#039;re all going to toss out the phrase &quot;that&#039;s Satan&#039;s plan&quot; how about the hypocrisy of your own statements to lecture and guilt someone else into doing what you want? Agency is a beautiful thing that causes a lot of contention because we seem to be inclined toward Satan&#039;s plan more and more in our world lately. Very sad. I&#039;m not trying to be morally subjective: I was genuinely shocked by the information that vaccines are in part possible due to abortions. I didn&#039;t know. It&#039;s something I&#039;m going to be thinking and praying on and I&#039;m happy to retain the agency to choose.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/can-church-support-vaccines-knowing-made-fetal-matter/#comment-35249">Cassandove</a>.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s fair to say it&#8217;s never wrong to question something just because someone shared their testimony &#8211; even if it&#8217;s a General authority. Aren&#8217;t we invited to ask God? I believe if we listen to the Spirit we can be led to make the right choices for OUR families. For some that will mean vaccinating. For others it might mean moving to a new city or switching schools. Isn&#8217;t the interesting thing about the plan that the path is the same with billions of variables? We all have reasons for vaccinating or not vaccinating. Everyone needs to breathe for a second. My kids are vaccinated but I don&#8217;t feel that anyone should be forced to do one thing or another. If we&#8217;re all going to toss out the phrase &#8220;that&#8217;s Satan&#8217;s plan&#8221; how about the hypocrisy of your own statements to lecture and guilt someone else into doing what you want? Agency is a beautiful thing that causes a lot of contention because we seem to be inclined toward Satan&#8217;s plan more and more in our world lately. Very sad. I&#8217;m not trying to be morally subjective: I was genuinely shocked by the information that vaccines are in part possible due to abortions. I didn&#8217;t know. It&#8217;s something I&#8217;m going to be thinking and praying on and I&#8217;m happy to retain the agency to choose.</p>
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		By: CaptainAK		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/can-church-support-vaccines-knowing-made-fetal-matter/#comment-35254</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CaptainAK]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2016 17:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/can-church-support-vaccines-knowing-made-fetal-matter/#comment-35243&quot;&gt;annettedulse&lt;/a&gt;.

Have you forgotten how many people died, or whose lives were forever altered because of childhood diseases like polio, whooping cough, etc?  Vaccines have eradicated many diseases, and saved many lives.  Vaccines have been made the enemy, when they are not.  A young man in my daughter&#039;s school who&#039;s parents chose not to vaccinate their children, contracted whooping cough, and in turn passed it to others, including my daughter.  My daughter had been vaccinated, but for some reason contracted it anyway. She brought it home, and I contracted it.  It was miserable!!  I just about coughed my lungs up every day for three months!!  I&#039;m so glad there were no very young children in my home, and that my wife and I decided to vaccinate our children.  If very young children are exposed to diseases like whooping cough, they can very likely die.  Even if they don&#039;t, the misery diseases like that bring can be unbearable for all involved.  I have studied the allegations that vaccines do more harm than good.  I personally believe, and my belief is well supported by FACTS, that you do much more harm than good if you choose NOT to vaccinate.  As stated before, vaccines have basically eradicated diseases that used to routinely kill people. Think of other people, and the possibility that they may suffer from your choice not to vaccinate, as my family did, before you make your choice.  With Love, CaptainAK.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/can-church-support-vaccines-knowing-made-fetal-matter/#comment-35243">annettedulse</a>.</p>
<p>Have you forgotten how many people died, or whose lives were forever altered because of childhood diseases like polio, whooping cough, etc?  Vaccines have eradicated many diseases, and saved many lives.  Vaccines have been made the enemy, when they are not.  A young man in my daughter&#8217;s school who&#8217;s parents chose not to vaccinate their children, contracted whooping cough, and in turn passed it to others, including my daughter.  My daughter had been vaccinated, but for some reason contracted it anyway. She brought it home, and I contracted it.  It was miserable!!  I just about coughed my lungs up every day for three months!!  I&#8217;m so glad there were no very young children in my home, and that my wife and I decided to vaccinate our children.  If very young children are exposed to diseases like whooping cough, they can very likely die.  Even if they don&#8217;t, the misery diseases like that bring can be unbearable for all involved.  I have studied the allegations that vaccines do more harm than good.  I personally believe, and my belief is well supported by FACTS, that you do much more harm than good if you choose NOT to vaccinate.  As stated before, vaccines have basically eradicated diseases that used to routinely kill people. Think of other people, and the possibility that they may suffer from your choice not to vaccinate, as my family did, before you make your choice.  With Love, CaptainAK.</p>
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		By: Cassandove		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/can-church-support-vaccines-knowing-made-fetal-matter/#comment-35249</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cassandove]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2016 02:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I absolutely believe vaccines should be mandatory because those who don&#039;t vaccinate are choosing to take the agency and risk the lives of THOUSANDS of people with immunity compromises such as cancer, lupus, HIV, AIDS, and atrophic disorders. 

Denying people&#039;s right to life and taking their agency to live as normally as possible (and being responsible for peoples deaths) is following Satan much more than vaccination (which saves lives by the thousands and millions) ever would be. 

That being said, fetal matter doesn&#039;t always come from abortions. It can come from fetal stem cells, D&#038;C procedures (which are NOT abortions; the child is already dead when these happen), and other situations and circumstances.

Boyd K. Packer had a strong testimony of vaccinations and how modern medicine is a gift from God given through scientific revelation. To disrespect him by insinuating that vaccination is a conspiracy, or toxic, or whatever, is wrong.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I absolutely believe vaccines should be mandatory because those who don&#8217;t vaccinate are choosing to take the agency and risk the lives of THOUSANDS of people with immunity compromises such as cancer, lupus, HIV, AIDS, and atrophic disorders. </p>
<p>Denying people&#8217;s right to life and taking their agency to live as normally as possible (and being responsible for peoples deaths) is following Satan much more than vaccination (which saves lives by the thousands and millions) ever would be. </p>
<p>That being said, fetal matter doesn&#8217;t always come from abortions. It can come from fetal stem cells, D&amp;C procedures (which are NOT abortions; the child is already dead when these happen), and other situations and circumstances.</p>
<p>Boyd K. Packer had a strong testimony of vaccinations and how modern medicine is a gift from God given through scientific revelation. To disrespect him by insinuating that vaccination is a conspiracy, or toxic, or whatever, is wrong.</p>
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		By: Cassandove		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/can-church-support-vaccines-knowing-made-fetal-matter/#comment-35248</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cassandove]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2016 02:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/can-church-support-vaccines-knowing-made-fetal-matter/#comment-35243&quot;&gt;annettedulse&lt;/a&gt;.

I hope you don&#039;t eat tuna or most other fish - they have mercury too! ...Although mercury hasn&#039;t been in vaccines since about 2001, and even then the type of mercury differs from the type that&#039;s actually toxic. 

President Packer - now deceased, bless him - had polio, was too old and too far progressed for the vaccine when it was developed. He advocated vaccines because they save lives... I wish you could talk to my 89-year-old great-grandmother who witnessed the epidemic of polio first-hand and the RELIEF that people were given when the vaccine saved lives. People got on their knees and begged for it. 

Doctors get no profit that&#039;s measurable from vaccines; it would benefit them more to not give vaccines and allow us to go to hospitals and die of preventable diseases... So vaccines definitely don&#039;t meet the &quot;goal&quot; of making money. 

I am an immunocompromised adult (we suspect lupus but have nothing definitive as of yet). I DEPEND on the people around me getting vaccinated because if I even get a (normally minor) common cold, I get SEVERELY sick. People around me vaccinating protects my health; read up on herd immunity.

You do not have the right to endanger my life or health, nor do you have the right to endanger the lives of children and adults with immunocompromises (such as cancer, HIV, AIDS, lupus). These are people who don&#039;t get to make the decision; by not vaccinating you are effectively denying them agency, which is a type of Satan&#039;s plan for us - no choice, no rights.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/can-church-support-vaccines-knowing-made-fetal-matter/#comment-35243">annettedulse</a>.</p>
<p>I hope you don&#8217;t eat tuna or most other fish &#8211; they have mercury too! &#8230;Although mercury hasn&#8217;t been in vaccines since about 2001, and even then the type of mercury differs from the type that&#8217;s actually toxic. </p>
<p>President Packer &#8211; now deceased, bless him &#8211; had polio, was too old and too far progressed for the vaccine when it was developed. He advocated vaccines because they save lives&#8230; I wish you could talk to my 89-year-old great-grandmother who witnessed the epidemic of polio first-hand and the RELIEF that people were given when the vaccine saved lives. People got on their knees and begged for it. </p>
<p>Doctors get no profit that&#8217;s measurable from vaccines; it would benefit them more to not give vaccines and allow us to go to hospitals and die of preventable diseases&#8230; So vaccines definitely don&#8217;t meet the &#8220;goal&#8221; of making money. </p>
<p>I am an immunocompromised adult (we suspect lupus but have nothing definitive as of yet). I DEPEND on the people around me getting vaccinated because if I even get a (normally minor) common cold, I get SEVERELY sick. People around me vaccinating protects my health; read up on herd immunity.</p>
<p>You do not have the right to endanger my life or health, nor do you have the right to endanger the lives of children and adults with immunocompromises (such as cancer, HIV, AIDS, lupus). These are people who don&#8217;t get to make the decision; by not vaccinating you are effectively denying them agency, which is a type of Satan&#8217;s plan for us &#8211; no choice, no rights.</p>
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		By: annettedulse		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/can-church-support-vaccines-knowing-made-fetal-matter/#comment-35243</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[annettedulse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2016 06:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t get my children vaccinated for this reason and many other reasons. They contain other horrendous ingredients. Animal DNA, mercury, aluminum, formaldehyde etc. Mercury is the 2nd most toxic substance on earth under plutonium, together with aluminum it becomes a toxic cocktail and yes it contains cells from aborted fetal cells and no, not just from 2 abortions. Planned parenthood has made alot of money selling aborted baby parts for this purpose. There is so much evil going on within the pharmaceutical companies selling thier patented toxic drugs and vaccinations and the government will soon push forward thier agenda of eventually forcing them on us by enforcing laws against having a choice. Why does the church not warn us about these evil horrendous acts being committed by people who are choosing to follow Satan? I don&#039;t get it. Until when will they have the power to continue to get away with this? Vaccinations are completely toxic!!!!! They have no benefit, but yet church members everywhere believe they do. Wake up guys! Please research what is being injected directly into the bloodstream of your healthy children!!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t get my children vaccinated for this reason and many other reasons. They contain other horrendous ingredients. Animal DNA, mercury, aluminum, formaldehyde etc. Mercury is the 2nd most toxic substance on earth under plutonium, together with aluminum it becomes a toxic cocktail and yes it contains cells from aborted fetal cells and no, not just from 2 abortions. Planned parenthood has made alot of money selling aborted baby parts for this purpose. There is so much evil going on within the pharmaceutical companies selling thier patented toxic drugs and vaccinations and the government will soon push forward thier agenda of eventually forcing them on us by enforcing laws against having a choice. Why does the church not warn us about these evil horrendous acts being committed by people who are choosing to follow Satan? I don&#8217;t get it. Until when will they have the power to continue to get away with this? Vaccinations are completely toxic!!!!! They have no benefit, but yet church members everywhere believe they do. Wake up guys! Please research what is being injected directly into the bloodstream of your healthy children!!!!</p>
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