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		By: Gordon Lynn Brown		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gordon Lynn Brown]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2015 05:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/can-drinking-coffee-likened-sex-outside-marriage/#comment-32869&quot;&gt;Cathy&lt;/a&gt;.

Cathy, I know that it has been some time since you commented, but is there a chance I can talk you out of the thrust of your comment?  Any sin we commit, weakness we have, or flaw we harbor works against our spirituality.  I anticipate that Satan is mostly responsible for creating a hierarchy of sins.  If I told you that there are actually folk out there who are members of the church that believe the Lord will not condemn them for such a little sin as drinking tea, would you believe me?  If we knowingly go against any commandment, we are in rebellion.  Not unlike heaven having many mansions, hell has as many &quot;chambers&quot; as there are individuals who end up there.  If you like to read, try Emanuel Swedenborg&#039;s Heaven and Hell.


One more question . . .  Are some members of the church held to a higher standard than others?  The answer is yes.  The Lord loves us so much that as we overcome weaknesses and make them strengths and we have bound Satan as far as the basic commandments, the Lord will reveal to us what we need to be working on to improve our lives and draw us closer to Him.  As we become more and more sensitive to the spirit, we will be given components of the gospel that others have not been given.  Or, on an individual basis one receives personal revelation that on a general basis is with held from others. This process is entirely commensurate with God&#039;s plan that leads us down a path of improvement and ultimately perfection.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/can-drinking-coffee-likened-sex-outside-marriage/#comment-32869">Cathy</a>.</p>
<p>Cathy, I know that it has been some time since you commented, but is there a chance I can talk you out of the thrust of your comment?  Any sin we commit, weakness we have, or flaw we harbor works against our spirituality.  I anticipate that Satan is mostly responsible for creating a hierarchy of sins.  If I told you that there are actually folk out there who are members of the church that believe the Lord will not condemn them for such a little sin as drinking tea, would you believe me?  If we knowingly go against any commandment, we are in rebellion.  Not unlike heaven having many mansions, hell has as many &#8220;chambers&#8221; as there are individuals who end up there.  If you like to read, try Emanuel Swedenborg&#8217;s Heaven and Hell.</p>
<p>One more question . . .  Are some members of the church held to a higher standard than others?  The answer is yes.  The Lord loves us so much that as we overcome weaknesses and make them strengths and we have bound Satan as far as the basic commandments, the Lord will reveal to us what we need to be working on to improve our lives and draw us closer to Him.  As we become more and more sensitive to the spirit, we will be given components of the gospel that others have not been given.  Or, on an individual basis one receives personal revelation that on a general basis is with held from others. This process is entirely commensurate with God&#8217;s plan that leads us down a path of improvement and ultimately perfection.</p>
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		By: Gordon Lynn Brown		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/can-drinking-coffee-likened-sex-outside-marriage/#comment-34410</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gordon Lynn Brown]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2015 05:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I cannot resist jumping in here.  Let me ask a question.  .   .What commandment of the Lord can you violate and not repent of, and still have an opportunity of dwelling with the Lord?  Should be an easy to answer . . . none.  It is not the Lord, however, that bars us from His presence.  We make the choice ourselves based on what we are comfortable with.  Therefore, while the Word of Wisdom question versus Chasity was probably a dig,  the husband is technically correct.  No unclean thing can dwell in the presence of God.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cannot resist jumping in here.  Let me ask a question.  .   .What commandment of the Lord can you violate and not repent of, and still have an opportunity of dwelling with the Lord?  Should be an easy to answer . . . none.  It is not the Lord, however, that bars us from His presence.  We make the choice ourselves based on what we are comfortable with.  Therefore, while the Word of Wisdom question versus Chasity was probably a dig,  the husband is technically correct.  No unclean thing can dwell in the presence of God.</p>
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		By: Cathy		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/can-drinking-coffee-likened-sex-outside-marriage/#comment-32869</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cathy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2014 10:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I believe that the reason The Law of Chastity is dealt with so extensively, is because of the resulting effects on a person&#039;s spiritual well-being. You cannot undo memories of betrayal, or the loss of innocence of sex before marriage or other such thing, whereas the effects of drinking coffee can be treated without leaving a huge emotional/spiritual residue.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that the reason The Law of Chastity is dealt with so extensively, is because of the resulting effects on a person&#8217;s spiritual well-being. You cannot undo memories of betrayal, or the loss of innocence of sex before marriage or other such thing, whereas the effects of drinking coffee can be treated without leaving a huge emotional/spiritual residue.</p>
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		By: angelo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2014 20:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I thought in Gods eyes all sins were created equal except for the one unforgivable sin, denying Jesus Christ as as our Savior. If both are sins why is one dealt with so harshly while the other is sort of shrugged off?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought in Gods eyes all sins were created equal except for the one unforgivable sin, denying Jesus Christ as as our Savior. If both are sins why is one dealt with so harshly while the other is sort of shrugged off?</p>
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		By: Eric		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/can-drinking-coffee-likened-sex-outside-marriage/#comment-32641</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2014 15:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Observations of a not so old Dad.
I have a couple of observations, from both my life and the lives of my children.  

I am a father of mid to late teenagers.  It does not seem that long ago that I too was one these late teenagers.  I also have many friends of varying spiritual awareness.   

Quite a few of my friends who were wayward teenagers have commented that girls that would break the Word of Wisdom would often break the Law of Chasity.  One of my friends has a crude saying he would use to describe this situation, unfortunately he has not changed much in the 20 yrs since he was a teenager. 
  
With my own children and their friends I have seen where choice of breaking the Word of Wisdom often led to more serious transgressions with the Law of Chasity.  I have also seen where an adherence and love for the lesser law strengthen them in the higher law.  

It would be interesting to see if any studies have been done to see if there is any correlation between the two, I would bet there is a strong correlation.  

Also this topic brings to mind an old J. Golden Kimball Story, on the subject.  I am sure if you google it you can find it.  I would tend to agree with Elder Kimball.

Thanks Gramps for the work you all do on the Website.

Eric.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Observations of a not so old Dad.<br />
I have a couple of observations, from both my life and the lives of my children.  </p>
<p>I am a father of mid to late teenagers.  It does not seem that long ago that I too was one these late teenagers.  I also have many friends of varying spiritual awareness.   </p>
<p>Quite a few of my friends who were wayward teenagers have commented that girls that would break the Word of Wisdom would often break the Law of Chasity.  One of my friends has a crude saying he would use to describe this situation, unfortunately he has not changed much in the 20 yrs since he was a teenager. </p>
<p>With my own children and their friends I have seen where choice of breaking the Word of Wisdom often led to more serious transgressions with the Law of Chasity.  I have also seen where an adherence and love for the lesser law strengthen them in the higher law.  </p>
<p>It would be interesting to see if any studies have been done to see if there is any correlation between the two, I would bet there is a strong correlation.  </p>
<p>Also this topic brings to mind an old J. Golden Kimball Story, on the subject.  I am sure if you google it you can find it.  I would tend to agree with Elder Kimball.</p>
<p>Thanks Gramps for the work you all do on the Website.</p>
<p>Eric.</p>
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