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		By: creative_dude		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2015 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/can-give-directly-poor-call-tithing/#comment-32123&quot;&gt;Tookie Clothespin&lt;/a&gt;.

My memory is not as I wish it to be, but it seems to me that this very quote was used by President Monson in a talk once.  I have not been able to find it and wonder if I do not remember it right. I am going to relate this and ask if anyone is familiar with the talk.

President was not the president at the time when this occasion arose.  He knew an individual who was quite wealthy.  This man declared himself a full tithepayer.  Since he had some idea of how much this man had, and knew of his tithing donation levels (leads me to think President Monson was in a Bishopric or Stake Presidency at the time) he asked the individual about how he paid his tithing.  The Man said that at the start of the year he had at least some idea about how much his income would be so he set money aside to pay his tithing. As needs arose, people in need, a hospital, the scout program he would write a check.  When the money was used up he was a tithepayer. He smiled at President Monson and asked what Tommy thought of that.  President Monson replied that he was quite generous, with someone else s money.  It was a while before the next time they met, and the individual shook his hand and said &quot;I want you to know that I now pay my tithing the same way that you do.&quot;  I look at what I have tried to write and am absolutely sure it was expressed more effectively in the original.

As I understand it (partly from this talk) is that I should pay my tithing first. Giving to the needy and other good causes if we are able to do that should be done after we have paid our tithing. It is not the value of the money we gave that is important, but the value that we gave of ourselves.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/can-give-directly-poor-call-tithing/#comment-32123">Tookie Clothespin</a>.</p>
<p>My memory is not as I wish it to be, but it seems to me that this very quote was used by President Monson in a talk once.  I have not been able to find it and wonder if I do not remember it right. I am going to relate this and ask if anyone is familiar with the talk.</p>
<p>President was not the president at the time when this occasion arose.  He knew an individual who was quite wealthy.  This man declared himself a full tithepayer.  Since he had some idea of how much this man had, and knew of his tithing donation levels (leads me to think President Monson was in a Bishopric or Stake Presidency at the time) he asked the individual about how he paid his tithing.  The Man said that at the start of the year he had at least some idea about how much his income would be so he set money aside to pay his tithing. As needs arose, people in need, a hospital, the scout program he would write a check.  When the money was used up he was a tithepayer. He smiled at President Monson and asked what Tommy thought of that.  President Monson replied that he was quite generous, with someone else s money.  It was a while before the next time they met, and the individual shook his hand and said &#8220;I want you to know that I now pay my tithing the same way that you do.&#8221;  I look at what I have tried to write and am absolutely sure it was expressed more effectively in the original.</p>
<p>As I understand it (partly from this talk) is that I should pay my tithing first. Giving to the needy and other good causes if we are able to do that should be done after we have paid our tithing. It is not the value of the money we gave that is important, but the value that we gave of ourselves.</p>
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		By: Zac		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/can-give-directly-poor-call-tithing/#comment-32732</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2014 14:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Deuteronomy 26:12
When you have finished setting aside a tenth of all your produce in the third year, the year of the tithe, you shall give it to the Levite, the foreigner, the fatherless and the widow, so that they may eat in your towns and be satisfied.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deuteronomy 26:12<br />
When you have finished setting aside a tenth of all your produce in the third year, the year of the tithe, you shall give it to the Levite, the foreigner, the fatherless and the widow, so that they may eat in your towns and be satisfied.</p>
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		By: Michael Jensen		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/can-give-directly-poor-call-tithing/#comment-32138</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Jensen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2014 14:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great response!

“And I ask you as well, who are we to determine

how the Lord will spend His funds? Are we called to make that 

determination? Do we have the authority or spiritual link to claim 

superior knowledge and understanding concerning the Lord’s will as to 

His kingdom on the earth. There has been a fair amount of controversy, 

for example, in the recent past over the downtown Salt Lake shopping 

mall. Many accusations have sprung up around the web against the Church 

and the use of its funds. But I have to wonder, why is consideration 

never given to the idea that it was the Lord’s will. Somehow many of us 

seem to think we know better than the prophet, better than the apostles.

Somehow we think ourselves more enlightened, more holy, and more in 

tune with God’s true will. But we are not. Let’s show a bit of faith here

that God is leading His Church. Let’s trust and sustain those He has 

chosen to do so, in both their efforts on the spiritual front and the 

temporal front of God’s kingdom.”

Oh if I could trumpet this to every single member of the
Church who wastes time and energy trying to parse, disparage, or pick apart
things that don’t belong to them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great response!</p>
<p>“And I ask you as well, who are we to determine</p>
<p>how the Lord will spend His funds? Are we called to make that </p>
<p>determination? Do we have the authority or spiritual link to claim </p>
<p>superior knowledge and understanding concerning the Lord’s will as to </p>
<p>His kingdom on the earth. There has been a fair amount of controversy, </p>
<p>for example, in the recent past over the downtown Salt Lake shopping </p>
<p>mall. Many accusations have sprung up around the web against the Church </p>
<p>and the use of its funds. But I have to wonder, why is consideration </p>
<p>never given to the idea that it was the Lord’s will. Somehow many of us </p>
<p>seem to think we know better than the prophet, better than the apostles.</p>
<p>Somehow we think ourselves more enlightened, more holy, and more in </p>
<p>tune with God’s true will. But we are not. Let’s show a bit of faith here</p>
<p>that God is leading His Church. Let’s trust and sustain those He has </p>
<p>chosen to do so, in both their efforts on the spiritual front and the </p>
<p>temporal front of God’s kingdom.”</p>
<p>Oh if I could trumpet this to every single member of the<br />
Church who wastes time and energy trying to parse, disparage, or pick apart<br />
things that don’t belong to them.</p>
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		By: Gramps		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/can-give-directly-poor-call-tithing/#comment-32125</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gramps]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2014 14:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/can-give-directly-poor-call-tithing/#comment-32120&quot;&gt;Wax&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you for your kind words.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/can-give-directly-poor-call-tithing/#comment-32120">Wax</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you for your kind words.</p>
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		By: Cheryl		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/can-give-directly-poor-call-tithing/#comment-32124</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cheryl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2014 11:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Heavenly Father has commanded us to pay 10% of our increase in tithing.  This money goes to the Church to be used as Heavenly Father sees fit to use it.  But there is no &quot;limit&quot; on how much we pay for fast offerings.  This money goes directly to help the poor and needy in our own wards first.  If Jon is feeling that he should be doing more to help those around him, this is a very good way to do it.  Pay a generous fast offering. And then trust the Bishop to use the money appropriately to help those around you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heavenly Father has commanded us to pay 10% of our increase in tithing.  This money goes to the Church to be used as Heavenly Father sees fit to use it.  But there is no &#8220;limit&#8221; on how much we pay for fast offerings.  This money goes directly to help the poor and needy in our own wards first.  If Jon is feeling that he should be doing more to help those around him, this is a very good way to do it.  Pay a generous fast offering. And then trust the Bishop to use the money appropriately to help those around you.</p>
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		By: Tookie Clothespin		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/can-give-directly-poor-call-tithing/#comment-32123</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tookie Clothespin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2014 04:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I heard one Bishop answer a similar question with a question of his own.  He asked &quot;You&#039;re pretty generous with the Lord&#039;s money, aren&#039;t you.&quot;  Who are we to counsel the Lord?  And don&#039;t stop at tithing. Give to the humanitarian and mission funds. Give to Perpetual Education and temple building.  And as you are able give until it is a sacrifice to other worthy charities.  If we only give of our surplus, we are no better than the publicans. Acts of service and love can change our lives and influence our children for good. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard one Bishop answer a similar question with a question of his own.  He asked &#8220;You&#8217;re pretty generous with the Lord&#8217;s money, aren&#8217;t you.&#8221;  Who are we to counsel the Lord?  And don&#8217;t stop at tithing. Give to the humanitarian and mission funds. Give to Perpetual Education and temple building.  And as you are able give until it is a sacrifice to other worthy charities.  If we only give of our surplus, we are no better than the publicans. Acts of service and love can change our lives and influence our children for good. </p>
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		By: Sharee		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/can-give-directly-poor-call-tithing/#comment-32121</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sharee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2014 01:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think I read somewhere that the City Creek Mall was not built with tithing funds.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I read somewhere that the City Creek Mall was not built with tithing funds.</p>
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		By: Wax		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/can-give-directly-poor-call-tithing/#comment-32120</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wax]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2014 17:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Gramps,


I&#039;m thankful for your wisdom and knowledge!  This sight has been a tremendous treasure of truth!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gramps,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m thankful for your wisdom and knowledge!  This sight has been a tremendous treasure of truth!</p>
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