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	Comments on: Has the Church changed its stance on immunizations?	</title>
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		By: Spencer James Smith		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/church-changed-stance-immunizations/#comment-35219</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Spencer James Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2016 21:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[there is proof. there is whistle blowers. there is doctrinal proof. and mark my words - the day will come when the brethren will know the truth about vaccines. they are only stating their opinion which they get from talking to their scientists. IT IS NOT REVELATION FROM THE LORD THAT VACCINES ARE SAFE AND EFFECTIVE.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there is proof. there is whistle blowers. there is doctrinal proof. and mark my words &#8211; the day will come when the brethren will know the truth about vaccines. they are only stating their opinion which they get from talking to their scientists. IT IS NOT REVELATION FROM THE LORD THAT VACCINES ARE SAFE AND EFFECTIVE.</p>
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		By: Spencer James Smith		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/church-changed-stance-immunizations/#comment-35218</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Spencer James Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2016 20:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[askgramps has deleted my comments before. and THERE IS A CAUSAL LINK BETWEEN VACCINES AND AUTISM, DEATH, AUTOIMMUNE DISORDERS AND PARALYSIS.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>askgramps has deleted my comments before. and THERE IS A CAUSAL LINK BETWEEN VACCINES AND AUTISM, DEATH, AUTOIMMUNE DISORDERS AND PARALYSIS.</p>
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		By: Spencer James Smith		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/church-changed-stance-immunizations/#comment-34856</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Spencer James Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2016 08:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[gramps, you need to learn the truth about vaccines.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gramps, you need to learn the truth about vaccines.</p>
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		By: Spencer James Smith		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/church-changed-stance-immunizations/#comment-34855</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Spencer James Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2016 08:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[please read my essay: https://www.academia.edu/23922770/In_The_Pursuit_Of_Truth
i feel like nephis parents who became old and tired from the stress of dealing with their children. lehi was about to enter his watery grave. i feel the same. its late. i can barely think. i have so many sources and pieces of evidence. far more than what is in this essay. not just science but also evidence of the prophets changing views on medicine since joseph smith and what joseph had to say about allopathic medicine.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>please read my essay: <a href="https://www.academia.edu/23922770/In_The_Pursuit_Of_Truth" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.academia.edu/23922770/In_The_Pursuit_Of_Truth</a><br />
i feel like nephis parents who became old and tired from the stress of dealing with their children. lehi was about to enter his watery grave. i feel the same. its late. i can barely think. i have so many sources and pieces of evidence. far more than what is in this essay. not just science but also evidence of the prophets changing views on medicine since joseph smith and what joseph had to say about allopathic medicine.</p>
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		By: AutismDadd		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/church-changed-stance-immunizations/#comment-34823</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AutismDadd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Apr 2016 17:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/church-changed-stance-immunizations/#comment-34505&quot;&gt;Helen&lt;/a&gt;.

The 2 &quot;AMISH&quot; children were adopted.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/church-changed-stance-immunizations/#comment-34505">Helen</a>.</p>
<p>The 2 &#8220;AMISH&#8221; children were adopted.</p>
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		By: AutismDadd		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/church-changed-stance-immunizations/#comment-34822</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AutismDadd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Apr 2016 17:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wakefield NEVER did a vaccine study. The Royal Free Hospital did medical interventions on a dozen very sick children. Yes how dare they do that. The Lancet paper was their REPORT. The media blew up Wakefield&#039;s statements about needing further study. He recommended single vaccines rather than GSK&#039;S MMR, so GlaxoSmithKline called James Murdoch wno called Brian Deer. Deer&#039;s FABRICATION was used as direct evidence even though DEER has no medical qualifications and has no knowledge of vaccination or research. It was a kangaroo court of the General Medical Council. James Murdoch was later appointed to the board of GSK....a coincidence?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wakefield NEVER did a vaccine study. The Royal Free Hospital did medical interventions on a dozen very sick children. Yes how dare they do that. The Lancet paper was their REPORT. The media blew up Wakefield&#8217;s statements about needing further study. He recommended single vaccines rather than GSK&#8217;S MMR, so GlaxoSmithKline called James Murdoch wno called Brian Deer. Deer&#8217;s FABRICATION was used as direct evidence even though DEER has no medical qualifications and has no knowledge of vaccination or research. It was a kangaroo court of the General Medical Council. James Murdoch was later appointed to the board of GSK&#8230;.a coincidence?</p>
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		By: AutismDadd		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/church-changed-stance-immunizations/#comment-34821</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AutismDadd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Apr 2016 17:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/church-changed-stance-immunizations/#comment-33902&quot;&gt;bob&lt;/a&gt;.

Journals frown on publishing links. Pubmed however has some, with disclaimers of course.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/church-changed-stance-immunizations/#comment-33902">bob</a>.</p>
<p>Journals frown on publishing links. Pubmed however has some, with disclaimers of course.</p>
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		By: AutismDadd		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/church-changed-stance-immunizations/#comment-34820</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AutismDadd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Apr 2016 17:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/church-changed-stance-immunizations/#comment-33490&quot;&gt;Dallas&lt;/a&gt;.

Peer review is a joke. Its as corrupt as any government or congressman.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/church-changed-stance-immunizations/#comment-33490">Dallas</a>.</p>
<p>Peer review is a joke. Its as corrupt as any government or congressman.</p>
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		By: Spencer James Smith		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/church-changed-stance-immunizations/#comment-34587</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Spencer James Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2015 21:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/church-changed-stance-immunizations/#comment-31689&quot;&gt;Gramps&lt;/a&gt;.

those who many believe are qualified to provide advice are actually not qualified to give this advice, as they have been indoctrinated by an education system created by the rockefeller family starting in 1903. mainly the rockefeller and rothschild family, took over a mass amount of science, medical journals, funding, education, news and media, and the healthcare system in general throughout most of the world. much of science, economics, government, universities and news are heavily controlled by rich and powerful satan worshippers. this has been accomplished through the devils help and demonic power from his realm. the means of gaining this global foothold in essential areas of life have come through murder, lying, propaganda, stealing and manipulation. the rabbit hole is deep. i have been researching conspiracy and corruption for years. i also am an active member of the church with a solid testimony. there are more like me than you think. like i said before, there are two things that.i.know. vaccines are a lie. this is Gods church.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/church-changed-stance-immunizations/#comment-31689">Gramps</a>.</p>
<p>those who many believe are qualified to provide advice are actually not qualified to give this advice, as they have been indoctrinated by an education system created by the rockefeller family starting in 1903. mainly the rockefeller and rothschild family, took over a mass amount of science, medical journals, funding, education, news and media, and the healthcare system in general throughout most of the world. much of science, economics, government, universities and news are heavily controlled by rich and powerful satan worshippers. this has been accomplished through the devils help and demonic power from his realm. the means of gaining this global foothold in essential areas of life have come through murder, lying, propaganda, stealing and manipulation. the rabbit hole is deep. i have been researching conspiracy and corruption for years. i also am an active member of the church with a solid testimony. there are more like me than you think. like i said before, there are two things that.i.know. vaccines are a lie. this is Gods church.</p>
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		By: Zampona		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/church-changed-stance-immunizations/#comment-34511</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zampona]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2015 13:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/church-changed-stance-immunizations/#comment-34505&quot;&gt;Helen&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;My understanding is that the original article encouraging vaccination was not written by a general authority.&quot; Unless you don&#039;t consider the First Presidency general authorities, then your understanding is wrong. 

https://www.lds.org/liahona/1978/07/immunize-children-leaders-urge?lang=eng

Gonna need a source on this Amish thing. The notion that the Amish don&#039;t vaccinate is a gross over-simplification. http://amishamerica.com/do-amish-vaccinate-their-children/

I&#039;m sorry for your sister&#039;s loss. But to assume that the vaccination caused the child&#039;s death is to commit a fallacy that in formal logic is called post hoc ergo propter hoc. Just because B happened shortly after A does not mean that A caused B. 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/church-changed-stance-immunizations/#comment-34505">Helen</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;My understanding is that the original article encouraging vaccination was not written by a general authority.&#8221; Unless you don&#8217;t consider the First Presidency general authorities, then your understanding is wrong. </p>
<p><a href="https://www.lds.org/liahona/1978/07/immunize-children-leaders-urge?lang=eng" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.lds.org/liahona/1978/07/immunize-children-leaders-urge?lang=eng</a></p>
<p>Gonna need a source on this Amish thing. The notion that the Amish don&#8217;t vaccinate is a gross over-simplification. <a href="http://amishamerica.com/do-amish-vaccinate-their-children/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://amishamerica.com/do-amish-vaccinate-their-children/</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry for your sister&#8217;s loss. But to assume that the vaccination caused the child&#8217;s death is to commit a fallacy that in formal logic is called post hoc ergo propter hoc. Just because B happened shortly after A does not mean that A caused B. </p>
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		By: Helen		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/church-changed-stance-immunizations/#comment-34505</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Helen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2015 19:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/church-changed-stance-immunizations/#comment-34050&quot;&gt;Mandy&lt;/a&gt;.

My understanding is that the original article encouraging vaccination was not written by a general authority. It is not church doctrine, you can&#039;t be denied a temple recommend for not vaccinating your children. The mission home requires vaccines if   you want to serve outside the US, otherwise you don&#039;t have to have them. You need to decide also if your conscience is ok with injecting aborted fetal cells into your child&#039;s body. Depending on who is backing the &quot;offical&quot; studies regarding autism you will get many opinions. Here&#039;s an easy one to consider: The autism rate in the US is currently 1:68, There is an Amish community of 20,000 people that has only 2 autistic children, one was vaccinated and the other was adopted and unknown if he was vaccinated. So the question is: WHERE ARE THE OTHER 266 AUTISTIC KIDS THAT SHOULD BE LIVING IN THAT COMMUNITY?  Vaccines are a big lie, do your research. Talk to some parents of vaccine injured children. Talk to your grand parents, we all had measles mumps and chicken pox. My sister lost a baby to his 4 mos shots. He past away 3 days after. My best friend didn&#039;t vaccinate her son until she sent him on his mission, after his series of shots he was never the same, he only served for 6 weeks and was sent home after his side effects escalated to the point of seizures. Her once healthy athletic son has been home a year and is still suffering from migraines, seizures, and depression.  My life experience won&#039;t allow me to support the practice of vaccination.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/church-changed-stance-immunizations/#comment-34050">Mandy</a>.</p>
<p>My understanding is that the original article encouraging vaccination was not written by a general authority. It is not church doctrine, you can&#8217;t be denied a temple recommend for not vaccinating your children. The mission home requires vaccines if   you want to serve outside the US, otherwise you don&#8217;t have to have them. You need to decide also if your conscience is ok with injecting aborted fetal cells into your child&#8217;s body. Depending on who is backing the &#8220;offical&#8221; studies regarding autism you will get many opinions. Here&#8217;s an easy one to consider: The autism rate in the US is currently 1:68, There is an Amish community of 20,000 people that has only 2 autistic children, one was vaccinated and the other was adopted and unknown if he was vaccinated. So the question is: WHERE ARE THE OTHER 266 AUTISTIC KIDS THAT SHOULD BE LIVING IN THAT COMMUNITY?  Vaccines are a big lie, do your research. Talk to some parents of vaccine injured children. Talk to your grand parents, we all had measles mumps and chicken pox. My sister lost a baby to his 4 mos shots. He past away 3 days after. My best friend didn&#8217;t vaccinate her son until she sent him on his mission, after his series of shots he was never the same, he only served for 6 weeks and was sent home after his side effects escalated to the point of seizures. Her once healthy athletic son has been home a year and is still suffering from migraines, seizures, and depression.  My life experience won&#8217;t allow me to support the practice of vaccination.</p>
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		By: Mandy		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/church-changed-stance-immunizations/#comment-34050</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mandy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2015 18:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Are you aware that there are more than 23 vaccines that contain aborted baby DNA, cellular debris, cells, and protein? These include, Adenovirus, Polio, Dtap/Polio/HiB Combo, Hep A, Hep A/Hep B Combo, MMR, MMRV Pro Quad, Rabies, Varicella, and the Shingles vaccine, and there are more in the pipeline. A lot more.  How can the church advocate vaccines while they do not advocate abortion?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you aware that there are more than 23 vaccines that contain aborted baby DNA, cellular debris, cells, and protein? These include, Adenovirus, Polio, Dtap/Polio/HiB Combo, Hep A, Hep A/Hep B Combo, MMR, MMRV Pro Quad, Rabies, Varicella, and the Shingles vaccine, and there are more in the pipeline. A lot more.  How can the church advocate vaccines while they do not advocate abortion?</p>
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