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	Comments on: Why is the Church so reluctant to provide information regarding the formation of the Church?	</title>
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		By: Horace		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/church-reluctant-provide-information-regarding-formation-church/#comment-35172</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Horace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Upon lookig at this question again, I would recommend the book Joseph Smith and the Beginnings of Mormonism, by Richard Lyman Bushman. It explores a lot of details, including facts and rumors surrounding Joseph Smith, his family disposition and circumstances, his surroundings and environment, his employment, and the influences and timeline of the early events of the restoration including the first vision, receiving the gold plates, translating the Book of Mormon, receiving the priesthood, and organizing the church.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Upon lookig at this question again, I would recommend the book Joseph Smith and the Beginnings of Mormonism, by Richard Lyman Bushman. It explores a lot of details, including facts and rumors surrounding Joseph Smith, his family disposition and circumstances, his surroundings and environment, his employment, and the influences and timeline of the early events of the restoration including the first vision, receiving the gold plates, translating the Book of Mormon, receiving the priesthood, and organizing the church.</p>
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		By: John		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/church-reluctant-provide-information-regarding-formation-church/#comment-35089</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2016 05:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/church-reluctant-provide-information-regarding-formation-church/#comment-34893&quot;&gt;Cassandove&lt;/a&gt;.

As far as the wives of Joseph Smith, the comments are accurate.   The Church has references for at least 34 wives.   And regarding Brigham Young, he did make several comments regarding black people that were not flattering.   Like many people, the time in which he lived influenced some of his personal beliefs.  The overall message has a hateful tone, but I fail to see where the content is false.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/church-reluctant-provide-information-regarding-formation-church/#comment-34893">Cassandove</a>.</p>
<p>As far as the wives of Joseph Smith, the comments are accurate.   The Church has references for at least 34 wives.   And regarding Brigham Young, he did make several comments regarding black people that were not flattering.   Like many people, the time in which he lived influenced some of his personal beliefs.  The overall message has a hateful tone, but I fail to see where the content is false.</p>
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		By: Cassandove		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/church-reluctant-provide-information-regarding-formation-church/#comment-34893</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cassandove]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2016 04:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/church-reluctant-provide-information-regarding-formation-church/#comment-34880&quot;&gt;SRR&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m not sure how your comment got approved as it is full of false information and attacks on the Church... If you dislike it, leave it be. 

You have so many poor, hateful arguments here. It&#039;s sad.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/church-reluctant-provide-information-regarding-formation-church/#comment-34880">SRR</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure how your comment got approved as it is full of false information and attacks on the Church&#8230; If you dislike it, leave it be. </p>
<p>You have so many poor, hateful arguments here. It&#8217;s sad.</p>
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		By: SRR		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/church-reluctant-provide-information-regarding-formation-church/#comment-34880</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SRR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2016 04:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When I was young (in the 60&#039;s and 70&#039;s) the Church hid many facts.  It took years and years for the Church to finally speak about how many wives Joseph Smith had.  And I agree dwelling on weaknesses is not a way to build faith, but seriously, Joseph marrying young girls, wives with living husbands, sisters, etc.  And a significant number of his wives were unknown initially by his wife, Emma.  That was never really explained to me.    In fact I was led to believe that Brigham Young was the great polygamist, not Joseph Smith.  But the more we learn, the more it becomes apparent that Joseph Smith had somewhere between 30 and 40 wives.  Come on, that is an important fact about the founder of the Church.  And until recent times, the Church has not been forthcoming about its history in this regard.  For me it would have been better to have received the whole story, warts and all rather than a sanitized version.  After all, your faith, is for life.  It is very difficult to learn and understand that some of the thing you were taught as a child in Church were not really the entire truth.  The same is true with the priesthood ban.  The Church has denounced the practice as wrong, yet they have never really apologized.  It is a simple fact that somehow Brigham Young&#039;s personal racist belief was adopted as revelation that barred black Africans from the Priesthood and essentially made the LDS membership racists for over a 130 years.  There are many today that still believe the priesthood ban was of God.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  And we need embrace the fact that Joseph Smith had many, many wives and that he really did not follow the requirements of plural marriage.  That he married other men&#039;s wives.  That he married girls as young as 14.  That he married a Mother and daughter.  That is kind of creepy.  So just ignoring all of this because it is not uplifting isn&#039;t really a good idea.  We need to embrace it all.  Our prophets are not infallible.  They make mistakes.  Somethings their personal opinions and feelings become doctrine.  Sometimes they break the commandments.  It is really our fault for believing that a prophet can do no wrong and blindly follow along even though some of it doesn&#039;t actually seem right.  I encourage everyone to read the good, the bad and the ugly if you really want to build a strong testimony.  Ignoring the bad helps no one.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was young (in the 60&#8217;s and 70&#8217;s) the Church hid many facts.  It took years and years for the Church to finally speak about how many wives Joseph Smith had.  And I agree dwelling on weaknesses is not a way to build faith, but seriously, Joseph marrying young girls, wives with living husbands, sisters, etc.  And a significant number of his wives were unknown initially by his wife, Emma.  That was never really explained to me.    In fact I was led to believe that Brigham Young was the great polygamist, not Joseph Smith.  But the more we learn, the more it becomes apparent that Joseph Smith had somewhere between 30 and 40 wives.  Come on, that is an important fact about the founder of the Church.  And until recent times, the Church has not been forthcoming about its history in this regard.  For me it would have been better to have received the whole story, warts and all rather than a sanitized version.  After all, your faith, is for life.  It is very difficult to learn and understand that some of the thing you were taught as a child in Church were not really the entire truth.  The same is true with the priesthood ban.  The Church has denounced the practice as wrong, yet they have never really apologized.  It is a simple fact that somehow Brigham Young&#8217;s personal racist belief was adopted as revelation that barred black Africans from the Priesthood and essentially made the LDS membership racists for over a 130 years.  There are many today that still believe the priesthood ban was of God.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  And we need embrace the fact that Joseph Smith had many, many wives and that he really did not follow the requirements of plural marriage.  That he married other men&#8217;s wives.  That he married girls as young as 14.  That he married a Mother and daughter.  That is kind of creepy.  So just ignoring all of this because it is not uplifting isn&#8217;t really a good idea.  We need to embrace it all.  Our prophets are not infallible.  They make mistakes.  Somethings their personal opinions and feelings become doctrine.  Sometimes they break the commandments.  It is really our fault for believing that a prophet can do no wrong and blindly follow along even though some of it doesn&#8217;t actually seem right.  I encourage everyone to read the good, the bad and the ugly if you really want to build a strong testimony.  Ignoring the bad helps no one.</p>
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		By: Michael Douglas Skewes		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/church-reluctant-provide-information-regarding-formation-church/#comment-34877</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Douglas Skewes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Apr 2016 10:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/church-reluctant-provide-information-regarding-formation-church/#comment-34875&quot;&gt;Cassandove&lt;/a&gt;.

I think you are exactly right. I was  born into the church but left ,due to rampant gossip ,I admit as a teenager I tried to push peoples buttons but all they did was ,well kick me out and be done with it.I wasn&#039;t ex communicated due to the pleadings of my mother ,but my father and I stopped going .Then of course to show all those people that thought i drank and smoked and was with my girlfriend before marriage,I set out to prove them right ,and guess who got hurt ,Me! So,as my son got older he started not wanting to go to church with my mother ,because I knew the church was true ,Joseph Smith is my cousin ,so it is deeply rooted in my Fathers Mothers side.When I came back to church after playing in Heavy metal bands and really doing things I would later regret I git a job in the Film industry and made more money then ever ,but was not happy and still had a son that needed a father to go to church with him,I had all the world could offer yet I felt empty.So I came back and I could not get enough information on everything ,The Savior and what He did for us all and all the history of the church because me ancestors were everywhere.But as I started to come upon those questions about ,well you know them all ,Plural marriage ,the translation and how ,mountain meadows and on and on.And when I asked about these things in church ,here in Calif. ,I was told not to worry about it,they were not important and has nothing to do with my salvation,well that made me really want to know ,so I bought over 4 thousand books ,all the old ,not published anymore books ,but because I Had (i have since been in a car accident and my wife who was sealed to me and still is left me because she thought I would be disabled the rest of my life ,and sold our house when i was in a coma for 4 months) But,one thing that was a true blessing is when I was in then hospital and they were operating I think the second of 6 operations ,I died ,I went up through the ceiling of the hospital and stopped ,waiting for a light to go in to something ,but my Grandfather ,who is the Patriarch of the family holding the priesthood ,he appeared with a bright light behind him and he said I was going back,that I had not completed the covenant I made with the Lord before I came here ,it was in my Patriarchal blessing,he said the covenant 3 times and said that it was very important to complete this before I return to Him ,and back I went ,so here I am ,and now I know why I am really here and that ,even though it satisfied me to find out the truthfulness of all things ,I wasn;t fulfilling one of the most important reasons I am here at this time ,so ,the moral is you can spend years searching out these things and hopefully find the right answer ,but is that why we are really here ?
so I spent years and years reading and praying and reading and praying ,and in the end ,the answer gramps gives is frustratingly correct!I researched everything and drove all over the country to find things out for myself.It all has a purpose ,all those things that people ,some people think should be talked about in church or conference ,either has been,because I have every single conference on book ,tape c.d. and have gone through them all ,the early ones did address those subjects,it&#039;s been done and they move on to bringing Gospel to the people and baptize and so on.As one who has been on both sides of the fence ,but know ,even after going through losing every material thing ,except t of my books and other ,and a few other things ,I lost everything and my Son who I came back to church for ,left the church a week after I ordained him an Elder . The Gospel is all I have ,and believe me ,it still isn&#039;t easy,in fact my life is .....well it ain&#039;t good ,but if I didn&#039;t have the Gospel in my life and the power of the Priesthood to help me and to help others ,which is basically all I do ,SERVE ,I do things now I never thought i would do ,but I am always glad to help others ,do my Family History ,which after 12 years have 4 lines from my son to Adam and EVe ,and Temple work.So,there are answers that do explain everything ,I promise you ,I spent years and years and too much money buying old books ,but one thing I found out ,This is the restored Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints and the only one with the Authority to act in the name of Jesus Christ and bring people unto HIM,and if you can&#039;t find answers ,look,but look in the right places ,don;t go down a path that you know will tell you nothing but plant a seed of doubt that is dangerously co authered by the father of all lies.Seek out good books,if you want a few titles ,let me know.There is not one thing that I have not read about ,but the book that I always do read and find something there I never read before is in The Book of Mormon! Good luck and God bless you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/church-reluctant-provide-information-regarding-formation-church/#comment-34875">Cassandove</a>.</p>
<p>I think you are exactly right. I was  born into the church but left ,due to rampant gossip ,I admit as a teenager I tried to push peoples buttons but all they did was ,well kick me out and be done with it.I wasn&#8217;t ex communicated due to the pleadings of my mother ,but my father and I stopped going .Then of course to show all those people that thought i drank and smoked and was with my girlfriend before marriage,I set out to prove them right ,and guess who got hurt ,Me! So,as my son got older he started not wanting to go to church with my mother ,because I knew the church was true ,Joseph Smith is my cousin ,so it is deeply rooted in my Fathers Mothers side.When I came back to church after playing in Heavy metal bands and really doing things I would later regret I git a job in the Film industry and made more money then ever ,but was not happy and still had a son that needed a father to go to church with him,I had all the world could offer yet I felt empty.So I came back and I could not get enough information on everything ,The Savior and what He did for us all and all the history of the church because me ancestors were everywhere.But as I started to come upon those questions about ,well you know them all ,Plural marriage ,the translation and how ,mountain meadows and on and on.And when I asked about these things in church ,here in Calif. ,I was told not to worry about it,they were not important and has nothing to do with my salvation,well that made me really want to know ,so I bought over 4 thousand books ,all the old ,not published anymore books ,but because I Had (i have since been in a car accident and my wife who was sealed to me and still is left me because she thought I would be disabled the rest of my life ,and sold our house when i was in a coma for 4 months) But,one thing that was a true blessing is when I was in then hospital and they were operating I think the second of 6 operations ,I died ,I went up through the ceiling of the hospital and stopped ,waiting for a light to go in to something ,but my Grandfather ,who is the Patriarch of the family holding the priesthood ,he appeared with a bright light behind him and he said I was going back,that I had not completed the covenant I made with the Lord before I came here ,it was in my Patriarchal blessing,he said the covenant 3 times and said that it was very important to complete this before I return to Him ,and back I went ,so here I am ,and now I know why I am really here and that ,even though it satisfied me to find out the truthfulness of all things ,I wasn;t fulfilling one of the most important reasons I am here at this time ,so ,the moral is you can spend years searching out these things and hopefully find the right answer ,but is that why we are really here ?<br />
so I spent years and years reading and praying and reading and praying ,and in the end ,the answer gramps gives is frustratingly correct!I researched everything and drove all over the country to find things out for myself.It all has a purpose ,all those things that people ,some people think should be talked about in church or conference ,either has been,because I have every single conference on book ,tape c.d. and have gone through them all ,the early ones did address those subjects,it&#8217;s been done and they move on to bringing Gospel to the people and baptize and so on.As one who has been on both sides of the fence ,but know ,even after going through losing every material thing ,except t of my books and other ,and a few other things ,I lost everything and my Son who I came back to church for ,left the church a week after I ordained him an Elder . The Gospel is all I have ,and believe me ,it still isn&#8217;t easy,in fact my life is &#8230;..well it ain&#8217;t good ,but if I didn&#8217;t have the Gospel in my life and the power of the Priesthood to help me and to help others ,which is basically all I do ,SERVE ,I do things now I never thought i would do ,but I am always glad to help others ,do my Family History ,which after 12 years have 4 lines from my son to Adam and EVe ,and Temple work.So,there are answers that do explain everything ,I promise you ,I spent years and years and too much money buying old books ,but one thing I found out ,This is the restored Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints and the only one with the Authority to act in the name of Jesus Christ and bring people unto HIM,and if you can&#8217;t find answers ,look,but look in the right places ,don;t go down a path that you know will tell you nothing but plant a seed of doubt that is dangerously co authered by the father of all lies.Seek out good books,if you want a few titles ,let me know.There is not one thing that I have not read about ,but the book that I always do read and find something there I never read before is in The Book of Mormon! Good luck and God bless you.</p>
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		By: Sharee		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/church-reluctant-provide-information-regarding-formation-church/#comment-34876</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sharee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Apr 2016 03:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The subjects mentioned in the inquiry are covered in the articles the church has published on lds.org.  Also, I don&#039;t think Bookcraft is around anymore. Wasn&#039;t it swallowed up  by Deseret Book some years back?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The subjects mentioned in the inquiry are covered in the articles the church has published on lds.org.  Also, I don&#8217;t think Bookcraft is around anymore. Wasn&#8217;t it swallowed up  by Deseret Book some years back?</p>
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		By: Cassandove		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/church-reluctant-provide-information-regarding-formation-church/#comment-34875</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cassandove]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2016 17:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think it&#039;s so much that the Church is reluctant as it is that church members aren&#039;t doing their part to learn the information... It&#039;s certainly available, and I knew all of the things addressed in the question prior to baptism. 

The Gospel Topics essays are helpful, as is going to Church landmarks such as Nauvoo, Adam-Ondi-Ahman, visitors&#039; centers, and Temple Square. There are also the Joseph Smith Papers and other documents and writings about the early days of the Restoration. It isn&#039;t the Church&#039;s fault if people choose to not learn.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s so much that the Church is reluctant as it is that church members aren&#8217;t doing their part to learn the information&#8230; It&#8217;s certainly available, and I knew all of the things addressed in the question prior to baptism. </p>
<p>The Gospel Topics essays are helpful, as is going to Church landmarks such as Nauvoo, Adam-Ondi-Ahman, visitors&#8217; centers, and Temple Square. There are also the Joseph Smith Papers and other documents and writings about the early days of the Restoration. It isn&#8217;t the Church&#8217;s fault if people choose to not learn.</p>
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		By: Horace Mann		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/church-reluctant-provide-information-regarding-formation-church/#comment-34873</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Horace Mann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2016 12:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You&#039;ve probably never had a Sunday School lesson on plural marriage. You&#039;ve probably also never had a Sunday School lesson on Joshua 10-11, where it talks about how the Israelites utterly destroyed their enemies, taking no prisoners and leaving no survivors. That&#039;s because for many new members and investigators, it is difficult to understand the motives for such instances, and instead of edifying, it simply confuses. The Church doesn&#039;t hide these happenings, but it certainly doesn&#039;t parade them around, because they are confusing for many people.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve probably never had a Sunday School lesson on plural marriage. You&#8217;ve probably also never had a Sunday School lesson on Joshua 10-11, where it talks about how the Israelites utterly destroyed their enemies, taking no prisoners and leaving no survivors. That&#8217;s because for many new members and investigators, it is difficult to understand the motives for such instances, and instead of edifying, it simply confuses. The Church doesn&#8217;t hide these happenings, but it certainly doesn&#8217;t parade them around, because they are confusing for many people.</p>
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