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	Comments on: Did  God create Lucifer to fall?	</title>
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		By: Jennifer Ridge Schlaline		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/god-create-lucifer-fall/#comment-35608</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Mar 2017 22:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/god-create-lucifer-fall/#comment-35500&quot;&gt;Peter Constantine&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Heavenly Father created Lucifer, The Morning Star, The Shining One, Lightbringer, and Son of The Morning. Lucifer created Satan, The Adversary, The Accuser, The Prince of Devils, The Father of Lies and Rebellion.&quot;

The quote above... Is brilliant! This is teaching at its finest Peter Constantine. You have assuredly enlightened more than just I, with these 2 sentences above. So simple, yet brilliant. Thank you!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/god-create-lucifer-fall/#comment-35500">Peter Constantine</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Heavenly Father created Lucifer, The Morning Star, The Shining One, Lightbringer, and Son of The Morning. Lucifer created Satan, The Adversary, The Accuser, The Prince of Devils, The Father of Lies and Rebellion.&#8221;</p>
<p>The quote above&#8230; Is brilliant! This is teaching at its finest Peter Constantine. You have assuredly enlightened more than just I, with these 2 sentences above. So simple, yet brilliant. Thank you!</p>
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		By: Peter Constantine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2017 22:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dan, did you ever consider that The Father structured The Plan understanding that someone would inevitably choose to rebel?  I know that the objectives of The Plan are eternal and unchanging but perhaps The Father has the autonomy to adapt the plan at the outset to accommodate the inevitable dynamic variables that will arise when unique individuals exercise their Free Agency.  Food for thought.  

My personal belief from having chewed down to the bone on this question as much as possible is that at the time of the spiritual creation of each of His spirit children, all had the potential to attain Celestial Glory.  At that time we were granted the Three Great Gifts (Agency, Embodiment, and Time) in a similar fashion to mortal entry.  I believe that Lucifer had just as much choice to align his will with The Fathers as any of us, but through a pre-mortal lifelong process he developed an ego and a following.  Nothing in our doctrine indicates that in the pre-mortal realm WE had foreknowledge or omniscience, therefore all had the ability to choose and develop in alignment with The Father...or not.  I believe it is entirely possible and highly probable that The Father did all he could without violating Agency or other eternal laws to reclaim His fallen children, but to no avail.  We&#039;ve seen this in mortality; malcontents, protesters, militants, and terrorists who will destroy the whole world in their attempt to find justification in trying to remake the world in the image that most suits their selfish desires and lusts for power.  &quot;What has happened before will happen again.&quot;

Heavenly Father created Lucifer, The Morning Star, The Shining One, Lightbringer, and Son of The Morning.  Lucifer created Satan, The Adversary, The Accuser, The Prince of Devils, The Father of Lies and Rebellion.

-P]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, did you ever consider that The Father structured The Plan understanding that someone would inevitably choose to rebel?  I know that the objectives of The Plan are eternal and unchanging but perhaps The Father has the autonomy to adapt the plan at the outset to accommodate the inevitable dynamic variables that will arise when unique individuals exercise their Free Agency.  Food for thought.  </p>
<p>My personal belief from having chewed down to the bone on this question as much as possible is that at the time of the spiritual creation of each of His spirit children, all had the potential to attain Celestial Glory.  At that time we were granted the Three Great Gifts (Agency, Embodiment, and Time) in a similar fashion to mortal entry.  I believe that Lucifer had just as much choice to align his will with The Fathers as any of us, but through a pre-mortal lifelong process he developed an ego and a following.  Nothing in our doctrine indicates that in the pre-mortal realm WE had foreknowledge or omniscience, therefore all had the ability to choose and develop in alignment with The Father&#8230;or not.  I believe it is entirely possible and highly probable that The Father did all he could without violating Agency or other eternal laws to reclaim His fallen children, but to no avail.  We&#8217;ve seen this in mortality; malcontents, protesters, militants, and terrorists who will destroy the whole world in their attempt to find justification in trying to remake the world in the image that most suits their selfish desires and lusts for power.  &#8220;What has happened before will happen again.&#8221;</p>
<p>Heavenly Father created Lucifer, The Morning Star, The Shining One, Lightbringer, and Son of The Morning.  Lucifer created Satan, The Adversary, The Accuser, The Prince of Devils, The Father of Lies and Rebellion.</p>
<p>-P</p>
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		By: Christian		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/god-create-lucifer-fall/#comment-35474</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2017 17:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If Lucifer would have kept his first estate we still would have evil influence in the world. We also learn in the Book of Mormon that the natural man is an enemy to God. Blaming evil on Lucifer takes away our own free agency. We don&#039;t sin because there is a devil, we sin because we chose wrong. If there was no devil, when people came to earth they would chose wickedness and tempt each other to do the same due to our own nature.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Lucifer would have kept his first estate we still would have evil influence in the world. We also learn in the Book of Mormon that the natural man is an enemy to God. Blaming evil on Lucifer takes away our own free agency. We don&#8217;t sin because there is a devil, we sin because we chose wrong. If there was no devil, when people came to earth they would chose wickedness and tempt each other to do the same due to our own nature.</p>
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