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		By: Noah		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2017 03:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dear Mildred,

People fake evidence all the time. They also rewrite history and forge things.

What&#039;s important in faith is to put the love of Jesus and Heavenly Father first. Joseph Smith absolutely wasn&#039;t an evil man. All the people of the scriptures who were great prophets put their love of Jesus and Heavenly Father first and foremost. Modern prophets are also real. 

People want to trick you to think that its not about those things but it is. Going to church and the basis for church authority all come down to those that follow Jesus absolutely obeyed him, loved him, and used faith and repentance. 

We just have to focus on reading the scriptures to feel the love of God. People who attack the church always focus on something like pulling people away from the love of God and loyalty, focusing on hate or blame, twisting their identity away from being a child of god, and here&#039;s another point; they also can&#039;t handle that someone else could have more blessings than they have. It&#039;s OK if others have more or were blessed with things that we currently don&#039;t have. By so accepting that we&#039;re also accepting that some day we could be blessed (through obedience) to have things maybe someone a hundred years from now might not be able to comprehend. Don&#039;t worry about those things, just think about how you are a child of God and that you are loved. 

Don&#039;t dwell on negative feelings. Try to look for faith, repentance, and love centered through Christ.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mildred,</p>
<p>People fake evidence all the time. They also rewrite history and forge things.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s important in faith is to put the love of Jesus and Heavenly Father first. Joseph Smith absolutely wasn&#8217;t an evil man. All the people of the scriptures who were great prophets put their love of Jesus and Heavenly Father first and foremost. Modern prophets are also real. </p>
<p>People want to trick you to think that its not about those things but it is. Going to church and the basis for church authority all come down to those that follow Jesus absolutely obeyed him, loved him, and used faith and repentance. </p>
<p>We just have to focus on reading the scriptures to feel the love of God. People who attack the church always focus on something like pulling people away from the love of God and loyalty, focusing on hate or blame, twisting their identity away from being a child of god, and here&#8217;s another point; they also can&#8217;t handle that someone else could have more blessings than they have. It&#8217;s OK if others have more or were blessed with things that we currently don&#8217;t have. By so accepting that we&#8217;re also accepting that some day we could be blessed (through obedience) to have things maybe someone a hundred years from now might not be able to comprehend. Don&#8217;t worry about those things, just think about how you are a child of God and that you are loved. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t dwell on negative feelings. Try to look for faith, repentance, and love centered through Christ.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2017 03:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[On a side note to compare with this I have a thought that might make sense to help you. 

Have you heard of the idea that most scientists and engineers deeply believe in God? They often get to the point where they see and say; this world is so beautiful and so organized. It&#039;s impossible this could have just happened without a plan. And for it to be so beautiful of course it makes sense that there&#039;s a Heavenly Father / Creator figure. And there absolutely is something after this life, it can&#039;t just end just at death. 

In terms of comparison these scientists are studying earthly evidence which is much like looking at &#039;blueprints&#039;. Isn&#039;t it interesting that when you are building a house you have both a house that&#039;s real, a builder, and a blueprints!

This means we don&#039;t say...the blueprints exist so the house can&#039;t possibly have a builder! Or the blueprints exist so the house must have built itself! That doesn&#039;t make sense right? 

The point is that many people have a desire to have power over others, not just with money but with authority and the concept of power. We can be led astray if we don&#039;t have spiritual things first. 

It&#039;s OK to think how wonderful it is to study those blueprints of how to build a house! We just want to remember the builder was the one that &#039;wrote&#039; the blueprints in terms of how our world was built, and how church history worked out is a similar concept. There are people that want you to put the blueprints first, or not question sources so that they can alter the blueprints for their version. And you should be aware of this.

When DNA evidence first came out and when it was in its early stages some LDS scholars were tricked into apostasy because they had been trained into thinking that the blueprints are more important than the one who made the blueprints. In other words they&#039;d been trained to put evidence before Heavenly Father and answers to prayers and spiritual answers. Then imagine their agony and bitterness when just a few years later after they&#039;d fallen, several LDS DNA specialists came forward with new evidence that showed both the Book of Mormon to be real, and that there WAS book of Mormon DNA even though some people had been tricked into thinking there wasn&#039;t any!

The point of this is to always to put the spiritual parts first and you&#039;ll be OK, and its still fun to like the scientific aspect of things. But the scientific aspect is just the blue prints you know? How clever those blueprints are can be pretty exciting sometimes! But if you stick to answers to prayers and following heavenly father by love and faith and repentance you will get there faster than the scholars who ignore answers to prayers and faith.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a side note to compare with this I have a thought that might make sense to help you. </p>
<p>Have you heard of the idea that most scientists and engineers deeply believe in God? They often get to the point where they see and say; this world is so beautiful and so organized. It&#8217;s impossible this could have just happened without a plan. And for it to be so beautiful of course it makes sense that there&#8217;s a Heavenly Father / Creator figure. And there absolutely is something after this life, it can&#8217;t just end just at death. </p>
<p>In terms of comparison these scientists are studying earthly evidence which is much like looking at &#8216;blueprints&#8217;. Isn&#8217;t it interesting that when you are building a house you have both a house that&#8217;s real, a builder, and a blueprints!</p>
<p>This means we don&#8217;t say&#8230;the blueprints exist so the house can&#8217;t possibly have a builder! Or the blueprints exist so the house must have built itself! That doesn&#8217;t make sense right? </p>
<p>The point is that many people have a desire to have power over others, not just with money but with authority and the concept of power. We can be led astray if we don&#8217;t have spiritual things first. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s OK to think how wonderful it is to study those blueprints of how to build a house! We just want to remember the builder was the one that &#8216;wrote&#8217; the blueprints in terms of how our world was built, and how church history worked out is a similar concept. There are people that want you to put the blueprints first, or not question sources so that they can alter the blueprints for their version. And you should be aware of this.</p>
<p>When DNA evidence first came out and when it was in its early stages some LDS scholars were tricked into apostasy because they had been trained into thinking that the blueprints are more important than the one who made the blueprints. In other words they&#8217;d been trained to put evidence before Heavenly Father and answers to prayers and spiritual answers. Then imagine their agony and bitterness when just a few years later after they&#8217;d fallen, several LDS DNA specialists came forward with new evidence that showed both the Book of Mormon to be real, and that there WAS book of Mormon DNA even though some people had been tricked into thinking there wasn&#8217;t any!</p>
<p>The point of this is to always to put the spiritual parts first and you&#8217;ll be OK, and its still fun to like the scientific aspect of things. But the scientific aspect is just the blue prints you know? How clever those blueprints are can be pretty exciting sometimes! But if you stick to answers to prayers and following heavenly father by love and faith and repentance you will get there faster than the scholars who ignore answers to prayers and faith.</p>
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