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	Comments on: If we are either on the Lord&#8217;s side or we are not, why are there 3 degrees of Glory?	</title>
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		By: Ilberto		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ilberto]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2015 16:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/if-we-are-either-on-the-lords-side-or-we-are-not-why-are-there-3-degrees-of-glory/#comment-34173&quot;&gt;creative_dude&lt;/a&gt;.

Oeople has to be intelligent enough not to get trapped with the idea of the salvation by grace alo e statement .yes we are all sinners yes christ is the only mean to salvation of men but why in the world would some o e believe in some scriptures isoleted and dismiss the rest of the gospel suchas those wheo say co fess the name of tjlhe lord a d you are saved on the spot (regardless of the process of repentance), nonsense stuff we need to observe the process the lord stablished and that include observa ce of the commandments. And the process of repentance as a base for the rest not the pther way around i am sick of those looking to buy cheap salvation. The only gospel if any that makes total sence of what God requires us to do to be saved is the o e that the lds has i have seen other manners but are non sense .now the degrees of glory go along with the way God will j udge his children i totoally refjte the idea of beleieve and be saved. And disbelieve and go to hell. Not what God i tends to do at all we all will be qualified of dismissed from his presence accordi g to our dees thats what he will base his judment on besides other thi gs such as knowlede of him and other factors. . remem er we are not working our salvation Gods grace applies to al mand kind no matter of his religion affiliation but ecaltation is a conditional thi g we must obey the commandments and ordinances stablished by him . no. Othter way. We can not tell God wow we want to be saved he does we just abide by his laws. Dont get. Deceived.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/if-we-are-either-on-the-lords-side-or-we-are-not-why-are-there-3-degrees-of-glory/#comment-34173">creative_dude</a>.</p>
<p>Oeople has to be intelligent enough not to get trapped with the idea of the salvation by grace alo e statement .yes we are all sinners yes christ is the only mean to salvation of men but why in the world would some o e believe in some scriptures isoleted and dismiss the rest of the gospel suchas those wheo say co fess the name of tjlhe lord a d you are saved on the spot (regardless of the process of repentance), nonsense stuff we need to observe the process the lord stablished and that include observa ce of the commandments. And the process of repentance as a base for the rest not the pther way around i am sick of those looking to buy cheap salvation. The only gospel if any that makes total sence of what God requires us to do to be saved is the o e that the lds has i have seen other manners but are non sense .now the degrees of glory go along with the way God will j udge his children i totoally refjte the idea of beleieve and be saved. And disbelieve and go to hell. Not what God i tends to do at all we all will be qualified of dismissed from his presence accordi g to our dees thats what he will base his judment on besides other thi gs such as knowlede of him and other factors. . remem er we are not working our salvation Gods grace applies to al mand kind no matter of his religion affiliation but ecaltation is a conditional thi g we must obey the commandments and ordinances stablished by him . no. Othter way. We can not tell God wow we want to be saved he does we just abide by his laws. Dont get. Deceived.</p>
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		By: JAmes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JAmes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2015 16:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I dont think Christ cares where we repent, deathbed or not.  In that sense any true conversion is valid.  The trick is how likely do we think a conversion under threwt of death would really be?  In the scriptures the Lord warns against waiting till the hour of our greatest need before repenting.  He warns that since we were slow seeking him when he was blessing us we should not be surprised when he does not hear us in our hour of trouble.  Or as the scriptures put it, his spirit will not always strive with man.  Or i recall in the book of mormon that mormon and others lamented the wicked state of the people in that their repentance was opportunistic in nature and lasted only as long as the trial thus they were not truky converted.  The Lord wants to forgive but we cant reasonably expect to procrastinate the day of our repentence.  Ask anyone who is already on that path and they will tell you that it comes in steps and waves of constant progress.  Its is not a single event for most people.  Although i cannot judge that it is impossible to truly convert and repent on a deathbed i do think it is highly unlikely that such a repentence will be with a oure heart in most cases.  I guess we can ask the Lord this one.  But my job is not to condemn anyone but seek for and pray for their eternal progress.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont think Christ cares where we repent, deathbed or not.  In that sense any true conversion is valid.  The trick is how likely do we think a conversion under threwt of death would really be?  In the scriptures the Lord warns against waiting till the hour of our greatest need before repenting.  He warns that since we were slow seeking him when he was blessing us we should not be surprised when he does not hear us in our hour of trouble.  Or as the scriptures put it, his spirit will not always strive with man.  Or i recall in the book of mormon that mormon and others lamented the wicked state of the people in that their repentance was opportunistic in nature and lasted only as long as the trial thus they were not truky converted.  The Lord wants to forgive but we cant reasonably expect to procrastinate the day of our repentence.  Ask anyone who is already on that path and they will tell you that it comes in steps and waves of constant progress.  Its is not a single event for most people.  Although i cannot judge that it is impossible to truly convert and repent on a deathbed i do think it is highly unlikely that such a repentence will be with a oure heart in most cases.  I guess we can ask the Lord this one.  But my job is not to condemn anyone but seek for and pray for their eternal progress.</p>
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		By: creative_dude		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[creative_dude]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2015 05:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Apples and oranges.  The apple is that we are saved by faith alone.  If we can exercise sufficient faith to call upon the name of Christ and accept him as our Lord and Redeemer we are saved.  Yet faith without works is dead.  We could even say the the first work is the exercise of enough faith to call upon Christ. 

We are not saved by works yet even so our works are the way that we show our love for our Lord and our fellow man. We are commanded to be perfect (Matt 5:48) (3 Nephi 12:48) yet perfection is not possible for us mortals.  It seems as if for us perfection is a process instead of a place yet the commandment does still  remain in force.

&quot;Faith without works is dead&quot; implies that we should have works.  What then are works?  Simply that anything we do because Christ told us to so do is a work. Prayer is a work.  Visiting the afflicted is a work as is visiting those shut away in jail or prison.  Feeding the poor is another. Love thy neighbor as you love yourself (what does that mean?) is a direct commandant. Note that these are instructions to us as individuals. We cannot farm the obligation out to someone else.

Does someone who has devoted his/her whole life to Christ get the same rewards as one who has done nothing except plea for mercy?  Does L Tom Perry get the same set of choices that a felon would get?  Does H Gray Russell end up in the same place as a rapist? (H Gray Russell served a mission for his church, The Protestant Disciples of Christ, in the old Belgian Congo from 1924 till 1955).  That&#039;s the orange.  People who obey the commandments are people who want to return to his presence. People who do not are people who might not be comfortable there.  In this sense a deathbed confession is a person saved by Christ who does not much want to live by the truths Christ taught and might not be comfortable in his presence.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apples and oranges.  The apple is that we are saved by faith alone.  If we can exercise sufficient faith to call upon the name of Christ and accept him as our Lord and Redeemer we are saved.  Yet faith without works is dead.  We could even say the the first work is the exercise of enough faith to call upon Christ. </p>
<p>We are not saved by works yet even so our works are the way that we show our love for our Lord and our fellow man. We are commanded to be perfect (Matt 5:48) (3 Nephi 12:48) yet perfection is not possible for us mortals.  It seems as if for us perfection is a process instead of a place yet the commandment does still  remain in force.</p>
<p>&#8220;Faith without works is dead&#8221; implies that we should have works.  What then are works?  Simply that anything we do because Christ told us to so do is a work. Prayer is a work.  Visiting the afflicted is a work as is visiting those shut away in jail or prison.  Feeding the poor is another. Love thy neighbor as you love yourself (what does that mean?) is a direct commandant. Note that these are instructions to us as individuals. We cannot farm the obligation out to someone else.</p>
<p>Does someone who has devoted his/her whole life to Christ get the same rewards as one who has done nothing except plea for mercy?  Does L Tom Perry get the same set of choices that a felon would get?  Does H Gray Russell end up in the same place as a rapist? (H Gray Russell served a mission for his church, The Protestant Disciples of Christ, in the old Belgian Congo from 1924 till 1955).  That&#8217;s the orange.  People who obey the commandments are people who want to return to his presence. People who do not are people who might not be comfortable there.  In this sense a deathbed confession is a person saved by Christ who does not much want to live by the truths Christ taught and might not be comfortable in his presence.</p>
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		By: Telavian		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Telavian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2015 19:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I like the answer however I am not sure how it answers the question.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the answer however I am not sure how it answers the question.</p>
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		By: alaskan59		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[alaskan59]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2015 19:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I for one did not really get the analogy...?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I for one did not really get the analogy&#8230;?</p>
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