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		By: Researcher		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/isnt-coffee-allowed-energy-drinks/#comment-35839</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Researcher]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[If you read the WOW it speaks of Hot Drinks. I&#039;ve been to priesthoods where this topic was discussed. And I&#039;ve heard it includes pop, coffee, tea, soup and the list goes on. The church handbook only states the only interpretation of Hot Drinks is a statement made by an early church leader that it means coffee and tea. However, I have researched this and I will give an example first to help my point. If I were to say that the church loves and wants gay people in the church (ok could be true) but went on to say that the church wants gay males to hold the priesthood and said well it states it in the policy. People would question this like they do Hot Drinks. Now consider that the gay discussion was put in the church in the 1940&#039;s. Gay at that time didn&#039;t mean you had a similar sex preference. It meant you were happy, fun so this policy would be clear and no one would question it like they do Hot Drinks. Now if you go back to Joseph&#039;s time when he said Hot Drinks the meaning was different. A hot drink in his time was not coffee alone but a mixture of coffee and hard liquor. Mostly hard liquor with a touch of Coffee. Coffee does have a lot of good medical benefits from lowering cholesterol to preventing memory loss among other things.  How much is medically beneficial for us? No more than two cups. Research can clear up a lot of questions.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you read the WOW it speaks of Hot Drinks. I&#8217;ve been to priesthoods where this topic was discussed. And I&#8217;ve heard it includes pop, coffee, tea, soup and the list goes on. The church handbook only states the only interpretation of Hot Drinks is a statement made by an early church leader that it means coffee and tea. However, I have researched this and I will give an example first to help my point. If I were to say that the church loves and wants gay people in the church (ok could be true) but went on to say that the church wants gay males to hold the priesthood and said well it states it in the policy. People would question this like they do Hot Drinks. Now consider that the gay discussion was put in the church in the 1940&#8217;s. Gay at that time didn&#8217;t mean you had a similar sex preference. It meant you were happy, fun so this policy would be clear and no one would question it like they do Hot Drinks. Now if you go back to Joseph&#8217;s time when he said Hot Drinks the meaning was different. A hot drink in his time was not coffee alone but a mixture of coffee and hard liquor. Mostly hard liquor with a touch of Coffee. Coffee does have a lot of good medical benefits from lowering cholesterol to preventing memory loss among other things.  How much is medically beneficial for us? No more than two cups. Research can clear up a lot of questions.</p>
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		By: Liz Perrott		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/isnt-coffee-allowed-energy-drinks/#comment-32198</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Liz Perrott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2014 20:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In the UK, all first aid books advise hot sweet black tea for shock.  Tea is the panacea for everything and recommended here. They even make decaffeinated tea for those who don&#039;t want stimulants. The rules of hospitality in the Uk always include offering a guest tea and it is seen as rude to refuse it. I can see why coffee would be bad for you, and know people who are dependent on the buzz to get them going for the day but culturally tea is something that comes with the territory and it would be difficult not to cause offense if refusing the norms of British hospitality..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the UK, all first aid books advise hot sweet black tea for shock.  Tea is the panacea for everything and recommended here. They even make decaffeinated tea for those who don&#8217;t want stimulants. The rules of hospitality in the Uk always include offering a guest tea and it is seen as rude to refuse it. I can see why coffee would be bad for you, and know people who are dependent on the buzz to get them going for the day but culturally tea is something that comes with the territory and it would be difficult not to cause offense if refusing the norms of British hospitality..</p>
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		By: Sharee		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/isnt-coffee-allowed-energy-drinks/#comment-32078</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2014 03:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Regarding the theory that anti-oxidants in red wine are beneficial, there are studies that have shown that to be a fallacy. Recent research found that resveratrol,
the antioxidant in red wine supposedly responsible for this great health, did
not help people live longer or avoid cancer or heart disease, especially not with the amount of wine recommended, 5 oz for women and 10 oz for men (per day). A problem is that so far
research on the benefits of resveratrol have only been done on animals,
primarily mice.  And the findings that
suggested resveratrol might protect the mice from obesity, diabetes and other heath problems used a
dosage that, for humans, would require drinking more than 1,000 liters of red
wine daily—a lot more than the recommended amount. It’s not the alcohol that
provides the benefit, anyway. According to the Mayo Clinic, red and purple
grape juices provide the same resveratrol as red wine. You can also get
resveratrol from blueberries, cranberries, mulberries, and peanuts. So while some medical people may think its okay to drink a little wine, the Lord knows best.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the theory that anti-oxidants in red wine are beneficial, there are studies that have shown that to be a fallacy. Recent research found that resveratrol,<br />
the antioxidant in red wine supposedly responsible for this great health, did<br />
not help people live longer or avoid cancer or heart disease, especially not with the amount of wine recommended, 5 oz for women and 10 oz for men (per day). A problem is that so far<br />
research on the benefits of resveratrol have only been done on animals,<br />
primarily mice.  And the findings that<br />
suggested resveratrol might protect the mice from obesity, diabetes and other heath problems used a<br />
dosage that, for humans, would require drinking more than 1,000 liters of red<br />
wine daily—a lot more than the recommended amount. It’s not the alcohol that<br />
provides the benefit, anyway. According to the Mayo Clinic, red and purple<br />
grape juices provide the same resveratrol as red wine. You can also get<br />
resveratrol from blueberries, cranberries, mulberries, and peanuts. So while some medical people may think its okay to drink a little wine, the Lord knows best.</p>
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		By: Clontsy		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/isnt-coffee-allowed-energy-drinks/#comment-32073</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clontsy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2014 17:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/isnt-coffee-allowed-energy-drinks/#comment-32066&quot;&gt;Nik&lt;/a&gt;.

Actually Red Grape Juice is good for you, AKA, New Wine. The alcohol in regular wine is what is bad for the body]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/isnt-coffee-allowed-energy-drinks/#comment-32066">Nik</a>.</p>
<p>Actually Red Grape Juice is good for you, AKA, New Wine. The alcohol in regular wine is what is bad for the body</p>
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		By: Nik		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/isnt-coffee-allowed-energy-drinks/#comment-32066</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nik]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2014 08:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think gramps is right, its more about obedience, red wine is good for the body but the potential to abuse it is substantial so it is forbidden. Its really a matter of obedience and priorities. Thw word of wisdom initially was not a commandment. There are ways of looking at it, some interpret the no hot drinks to be only tea and coffee, others extend to hot chocolate, broth, warmed apple cider (non alcoholic). I think if we live the minimum its all good and we are free to take it farther if we feel will bring us to a closer relationship with the Father.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think gramps is right, its more about obedience, red wine is good for the body but the potential to abuse it is substantial so it is forbidden. Its really a matter of obedience and priorities. Thw word of wisdom initially was not a commandment. There are ways of looking at it, some interpret the no hot drinks to be only tea and coffee, others extend to hot chocolate, broth, warmed apple cider (non alcoholic). I think if we live the minimum its all good and we are free to take it farther if we feel will bring us to a closer relationship with the Father.</p>
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		By: Joseph Kemper		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/isnt-coffee-allowed-energy-drinks/#comment-32064</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joseph Kemper]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2014 22:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In my opinion the reason for the word of wisdom is the same as the reason behind the commandment given to Adam and eve to not patake of a certain tree and that has little to do with the idea of physical death. It has to do with the idea of helping us to avoid getting caught up in the various sins and temptations of our day. 

Really if you think about it there have been several different versions of the Word of Wisdom. 
The first as I hinted was given to Adam and Eve
The second, that we know of was given to Moses as part of what is now known as the law of Moses. 
There are hints that a slightly different version of the law was given to Peter
And then you have our modern version. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion the reason for the word of wisdom is the same as the reason behind the commandment given to Adam and eve to not patake of a certain tree and that has little to do with the idea of physical death. It has to do with the idea of helping us to avoid getting caught up in the various sins and temptations of our day. </p>
<p>Really if you think about it there have been several different versions of the Word of Wisdom.<br />
The first as I hinted was given to Adam and Eve<br />
The second, that we know of was given to Moses as part of what is now known as the law of Moses.<br />
There are hints that a slightly different version of the law was given to Peter<br />
And then you have our modern version. </p>
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		By: Sef Silos		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/isnt-coffee-allowed-energy-drinks/#comment-32060</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sef Silos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2014 13:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There are some serious things about harmful effects of excessive coffee intake. Not about caffeine, but coffee. It has irritating effect on *gastric mucosa and can lead to development of ulcers. Else, people that are heavy coffee drinkers may develop vitamin b1 insufficiency. Caffeine interacts with absorption of some nutrients in small intestines. The only healthy way to treat tiredness and fatigue is to have rest. Also, long term coffee drinkers often develop liver function disorders. 

*The inner surface of the stomach is lined by a mucous membrane known as the gastric mucosa. The mucosa is always covered by a layer of thick mucus that is secreted by tall columnar epithelial cells. Gastric mucus is a glycoprotein that serves two purposes: the lubrication of food masses in order to facilitate movement within the stomach and the formation of a protective layer over the lining epithelium of the stomach cavity. This protective layer is a defense mechanism the stomach has against being digested by its own protein-lyzing enzymes, and it is facilitated by the secretion of bicarbonate into the surface layer from the underlying mucosa.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are some serious things about harmful effects of excessive coffee intake. Not about caffeine, but coffee. It has irritating effect on *gastric mucosa and can lead to development of ulcers. Else, people that are heavy coffee drinkers may develop vitamin b1 insufficiency. Caffeine interacts with absorption of some nutrients in small intestines. The only healthy way to treat tiredness and fatigue is to have rest. Also, long term coffee drinkers often develop liver function disorders. </p>
<p>*The inner surface of the stomach is lined by a mucous membrane known as the gastric mucosa. The mucosa is always covered by a layer of thick mucus that is secreted by tall columnar epithelial cells. Gastric mucus is a glycoprotein that serves two purposes: the lubrication of food masses in order to facilitate movement within the stomach and the formation of a protective layer over the lining epithelium of the stomach cavity. This protective layer is a defense mechanism the stomach has against being digested by its own protein-lyzing enzymes, and it is facilitated by the secretion of bicarbonate into the surface layer from the underlying mucosa.</p>
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