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		By: Jeff Pack		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2014 01:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/lehites-knowledge-telestial-terrestrial-states/#comment-33228&quot;&gt;Jared&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, they may eventually receive the companionship of the Holy Ghost, but only after a tremendous amount of suffering, as the Lord explained in D&#038;C 19:15-20.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/lehites-knowledge-telestial-terrestrial-states/#comment-33228">Jared</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, they may eventually receive the companionship of the Holy Ghost, but only after a tremendous amount of suffering, as the Lord explained in D&amp;C 19:15-20.</p>
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		By: Jeff Pack		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/lehites-knowledge-telestial-terrestrial-states/#comment-33278</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Pack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2014 20:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It is also important to keep in mind that the Book of Mormon prophets focused mainly on the state of men immediately after departing this life; in other words, many of the discourses about happiness or misery could be interpreted to be discussing the spirit world.

All of the various gradations and degrees of inherited glory are eventual; in the meantime, those who fully repent and strive to obey with all their hearts will be received into a state of happiness at their death, to await their eventual exaltation and glory.  All others will suffer the punishment for sins for which they failed to repent.  In D&#038;C 19:15-20, the Lord spells out in limited detail what is involved.  These verses paint a vivid picture for any who think that anything less than complete repentance is an option:

&quot;15 Therefore I command you to repent—repent, lest I smite you by the rod of my mouth, and by my wrath, and by my anger, and your sufferings be sore—how sore you know not, how exquisite you know not, yea, how hard to bear you know not.

 16 For behold, I, God, have suffered these things for all, that they might not suffer if they would repent;

 17 But if they would not repent they must suffer even as I;

 18 Which suffering caused myself, even God, the greatest of all, to tremble because of pain, and to bleed at every pore, and to suffer both body and spirit—and would that I might not drink the bitter cup, and shrink—

 19 Nevertheless, glory be to the Father, and I partook and finished my preparations unto the children of men.

 20 Wherefore, I command you again to repent, lest I humble you with my almighty power; and that you confess your sins, lest you suffer these punishments of which I have spoken, of which in the smallest, yea, even in the least degree you have tasted at the time I withdrew my Spirit.&quot;



True it is that all but the sons of perdition will eventually be saved in a kingdom of glory.  However, the price that all unrepentant souls will have to pay to reach that far off salvation can rightly be spoken of as hell, and such is the precious language of the Book of Mormon.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is also important to keep in mind that the Book of Mormon prophets focused mainly on the state of men immediately after departing this life; in other words, many of the discourses about happiness or misery could be interpreted to be discussing the spirit world.</p>
<p>All of the various gradations and degrees of inherited glory are eventual; in the meantime, those who fully repent and strive to obey with all their hearts will be received into a state of happiness at their death, to await their eventual exaltation and glory.  All others will suffer the punishment for sins for which they failed to repent.  In D&amp;C 19:15-20, the Lord spells out in limited detail what is involved.  These verses paint a vivid picture for any who think that anything less than complete repentance is an option:</p>
<p>&#8220;15 Therefore I command you to repent—repent, lest I smite you by the rod of my mouth, and by my wrath, and by my anger, and your sufferings be sore—how sore you know not, how exquisite you know not, yea, how hard to bear you know not.</p>
<p> 16 For behold, I, God, have suffered these things for all, that they might not suffer if they would repent;</p>
<p> 17 But if they would not repent they must suffer even as I;</p>
<p> 18 Which suffering caused myself, even God, the greatest of all, to tremble because of pain, and to bleed at every pore, and to suffer both body and spirit—and would that I might not drink the bitter cup, and shrink—</p>
<p> 19 Nevertheless, glory be to the Father, and I partook and finished my preparations unto the children of men.</p>
<p> 20 Wherefore, I command you again to repent, lest I humble you with my almighty power; and that you confess your sins, lest you suffer these punishments of which I have spoken, of which in the smallest, yea, even in the least degree you have tasted at the time I withdrew my Spirit.&#8221;</p>
<p>True it is that all but the sons of perdition will eventually be saved in a kingdom of glory.  However, the price that all unrepentant souls will have to pay to reach that far off salvation can rightly be spoken of as hell, and such is the precious language of the Book of Mormon.</p>
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		By: Jared		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/lehites-knowledge-telestial-terrestrial-states/#comment-33228</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2014 04:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[D&#038;C 76:44 &quot;Wherefore, he saves all except them—they shall go away into everlasting punishment, which is endless punishment, which is eternal punishment, to reign with the devil and his angels in eternity, where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched, which is their torment&quot;
The kingdoms of glories are not kingdoms of damnation; people in those kingdoms are saved and you cannot be saved and damned at the same time; just think about the last time you felt the Holy Spirit and consider that those in the telestial kingdom (the lowest) will have Her fulness, how could you say someone living forever in the fulnes of the Holy Spirit is damned? The only ones damned are the sons of perdition.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D&amp;C 76:44 &#8220;Wherefore, he saves all except them—they shall go away into everlasting punishment, which is endless punishment, which is eternal punishment, to reign with the devil and his angels in eternity, where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched, which is their torment&#8221;<br />
The kingdoms of glories are not kingdoms of damnation; people in those kingdoms are saved and you cannot be saved and damned at the same time; just think about the last time you felt the Holy Spirit and consider that those in the telestial kingdom (the lowest) will have Her fulness, how could you say someone living forever in the fulnes of the Holy Spirit is damned? The only ones damned are the sons of perdition.</p>
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