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		By: Douglas Self		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 May 2017 14:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[1) &quot;Spanish&quot; is a rather loose ethnicity and how you&#039;re 2% or 50% would be unclear, considering that  the region that the Romans labelled &quot;Hispania&quot; has been settled/conquered by the Greeks, Romans, Vandals, Visigoths, Byzantines, and the Moors, and the Spanish language as we understand it wouldn&#039;t exist until about the ninth century.

2)  &#039;Saharan African&#039;?  Can be Berber or Tuareg, neither of which are considered Negroidal, or &quot;Black&quot; peoples.

3) You&#039;re &quot;Jewish&quot; friend isn&#039;t necessarily of &quot;Judah&quot; either.  Read Arthur Koestler&#039;s &quot;The Thirteenth Tribe&quot;, which makes a convincing argument about the predominant European Jewish ancestry being of the Khazar peoples, whose leader, Bulan, declared to be converted to Judaism in the 7th century, whose features of the &quot;six nose&quot; and other similar features that the Nazis would cruelly caricature in publications like &quot;Der Sturmer&quot;.  A small &#039;trace&#039; of the DNA common to these types wouldn&#039;t necessarily make you &quot;Jewish&quot;, my paternal grandmother was a Jewess but my lineage was declared from Ephraim.  If one went strictly from the Patriarchal lineage, I&#039;m &quot;Bloody Welsh&quot;, like the scrawny (&quot;I&#039;m Wire-reeey&quot;) Welsh soccer kicker turned field goal kicker (Rhys Ifans) from &quot;The Replacements&quot;, and, according to family legend, a direct descendant of the famed Welsh King Llewellyn the Great.  Considering that &quot;nobility&quot; of his era were known to &#039;seed&#039; a &#039;wench&#039; or three, so likely would half of present-day Wales or the Welsh diaspora.

4) Asenath may well have been of the line of Egyptian rulers known as the &quot;Shepherd Kings&quot;, or Hyksos, who were a SEMITIC tribe (distant cousins of Jacob, from what I understand), so her lineage wouldn&#039;t have been of the so-called &#039;cursed&#039; line.  Egyptian history records that the Hyksos had integrated into the Egyptian culture, but sometime later they were deposed, hence &quot;there rose a Pharaoh that knew not Joseph&quot;.

The trouble with DNA &#039;testing&#039; is that we don&#039;t know what DNA of peoples of antiquity would have been like, we can only compare to where they are TODAY.  Many assumptions of necessity have to be made to estimate ethnicity.  Never mind that such phenomena as Founder Effect can render such assumptions meaningless.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) &#8220;Spanish&#8221; is a rather loose ethnicity and how you&#8217;re 2% or 50% would be unclear, considering that  the region that the Romans labelled &#8220;Hispania&#8221; has been settled/conquered by the Greeks, Romans, Vandals, Visigoths, Byzantines, and the Moors, and the Spanish language as we understand it wouldn&#8217;t exist until about the ninth century.</p>
<p>2)  &#8216;Saharan African&#8217;?  Can be Berber or Tuareg, neither of which are considered Negroidal, or &#8220;Black&#8221; peoples.</p>
<p>3) You&#8217;re &#8220;Jewish&#8221; friend isn&#8217;t necessarily of &#8220;Judah&#8221; either.  Read Arthur Koestler&#8217;s &#8220;The Thirteenth Tribe&#8221;, which makes a convincing argument about the predominant European Jewish ancestry being of the Khazar peoples, whose leader, Bulan, declared to be converted to Judaism in the 7th century, whose features of the &#8220;six nose&#8221; and other similar features that the Nazis would cruelly caricature in publications like &#8220;Der Sturmer&#8221;.  A small &#8216;trace&#8217; of the DNA common to these types wouldn&#8217;t necessarily make you &#8220;Jewish&#8221;, my paternal grandmother was a Jewess but my lineage was declared from Ephraim.  If one went strictly from the Patriarchal lineage, I&#8217;m &#8220;Bloody Welsh&#8221;, like the scrawny (&#8220;I&#8217;m Wire-reeey&#8221;) Welsh soccer kicker turned field goal kicker (Rhys Ifans) from &#8220;The Replacements&#8221;, and, according to family legend, a direct descendant of the famed Welsh King Llewellyn the Great.  Considering that &#8220;nobility&#8221; of his era were known to &#8216;seed&#8217; a &#8216;wench&#8217; or three, so likely would half of present-day Wales or the Welsh diaspora.</p>
<p>4) Asenath may well have been of the line of Egyptian rulers known as the &#8220;Shepherd Kings&#8221;, or Hyksos, who were a SEMITIC tribe (distant cousins of Jacob, from what I understand), so her lineage wouldn&#8217;t have been of the so-called &#8216;cursed&#8217; line.  Egyptian history records that the Hyksos had integrated into the Egyptian culture, but sometime later they were deposed, hence &#8220;there rose a Pharaoh that knew not Joseph&#8221;.</p>
<p>The trouble with DNA &#8216;testing&#8217; is that we don&#8217;t know what DNA of peoples of antiquity would have been like, we can only compare to where they are TODAY.  Many assumptions of necessity have to be made to estimate ethnicity.  Never mind that such phenomena as Founder Effect can render such assumptions meaningless.</p>
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		By: Liz Perrott		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/lineage-african-descent-come/#comment-35496</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Liz Perrott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2017 08:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/lineage-african-descent-come/#comment-35458&quot;&gt;Brian Hartman&lt;/a&gt;.

We don&#039;t have many African Americans over here in the UK Brian.  We do have Black British people and Black African people and Black African Caribbean people not to mention people of Mixed Heritage or mixed Race people, including three of my own grandchildren and five great -grandchildren. However of those, two have blonde hair and blue eyes and one is a redhead.  Amazing how genes work, that in three generations the blonde reappears on one line and the same generation a great grandchild comes through her blonde mother as black again.  Genes are amazingly individual things in how they work.  They say the first humans came from the Nile Basin and were Black too.  Who knows, who cares, we are or should be all God&#039;s children.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/lineage-african-descent-come/#comment-35458">Brian Hartman</a>.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t have many African Americans over here in the UK Brian.  We do have Black British people and Black African people and Black African Caribbean people not to mention people of Mixed Heritage or mixed Race people, including three of my own grandchildren and five great -grandchildren. However of those, two have blonde hair and blue eyes and one is a redhead.  Amazing how genes work, that in three generations the blonde reappears on one line and the same generation a great grandchild comes through her blonde mother as black again.  Genes are amazingly individual things in how they work.  They say the first humans came from the Nile Basin and were Black too.  Who knows, who cares, we are or should be all God&#8217;s children.</p>
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		By: Andrew		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/lineage-african-descent-come/#comment-35475</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2017 13:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/lineage-african-descent-come/#comment-35458&quot;&gt;Brian Hartman&lt;/a&gt;.

Not all black people are of African decent. Not all people of African decent are American. African-American is not a blanket term you can use to describe a person with black skin. Black and white are acceptable terms. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/lineage-african-descent-come/#comment-35458">Brian Hartman</a>.</p>
<p>Not all black people are of African decent. Not all people of African decent are American. African-American is not a blanket term you can use to describe a person with black skin. Black and white are acceptable terms. </p>
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		By: Brian Hartman		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/lineage-african-descent-come/#comment-35458</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian Hartman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2017 05:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/lineage-african-descent-come/#comment-35425&quot;&gt;Liz Perrott&lt;/a&gt;.

Sorry Liz, but I am VERY concerned over the use of the term &quot;Black People&quot; rather than &quot;African Americans&quot; being used in your response.  Maybe it is acceptable in good ole Blighty, but over here in Realville it is not.  Happy New Year!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/lineage-african-descent-come/#comment-35425">Liz Perrott</a>.</p>
<p>Sorry Liz, but I am VERY concerned over the use of the term &#8220;Black People&#8221; rather than &#8220;African Americans&#8221; being used in your response.  Maybe it is acceptable in good ole Blighty, but over here in Realville it is not.  Happy New Year!!</p>
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		By: Jack		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/lineage-african-descent-come/#comment-35428</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2016 18:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I just wanted to mention that the DNA story from 2006 - which is the one that you are referencing - has not withstood the test of time.  As the science of DNA analysis becomes more refined, it is telling a different story from that spoken of in the 2006 article that you reference.  FairMormon, although well meaning, I believe does more harm to the Church than good. True research/science is based on reviewing the evidence and then following the evidence where ever it leads you.  FairMormon appears to start with their conclusion and then back into the evidence and support.  I think that is why so many of the subjects they have written about in the past cannot withstand the test of time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to mention that the DNA story from 2006 &#8211; which is the one that you are referencing &#8211; has not withstood the test of time.  As the science of DNA analysis becomes more refined, it is telling a different story from that spoken of in the 2006 article that you reference.  FairMormon, although well meaning, I believe does more harm to the Church than good. True research/science is based on reviewing the evidence and then following the evidence where ever it leads you.  FairMormon appears to start with their conclusion and then back into the evidence and support.  I think that is why so many of the subjects they have written about in the past cannot withstand the test of time.</p>
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		By: Liz Perrott		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/lineage-african-descent-come/#comment-35425</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Liz Perrott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2016 11:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sorry but I am concerned at the use of the term &#039; Blacks&#039; rather than &#039; Black People&#039; being used in the response. Maybe it is acceptable in the USA , but over here in the UK it is not. Just saying]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry but I am concerned at the use of the term &#8216; Blacks&#8217; rather than &#8216; Black People&#8217; being used in the response. Maybe it is acceptable in the USA , but over here in the UK it is not. Just saying</p>
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