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	Comments on: Should I make the Bishop aware of someone violating church standards?	</title>
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		By: Liz Perrott		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2014 22:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Interesting. A close friend of mine who holds the priesthood and is very active in his church with several callings has actually told me how he has broken the law of chastity in very many ways, since his wife died. I have counselled him to deal with it but although he says he has now refrained for nearly a year, he is not willing to start the repentance process until he is sure he can keep to his intention. Also he is regarded as the strong and devout one in his family and doesn&#039;t want to hurt them either. He feels that he has repented directly to God and although he teaches in priesthood , feels that he is different and he can manage the repentance process on his own.  How will this effect him longer term?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. A close friend of mine who holds the priesthood and is very active in his church with several callings has actually told me how he has broken the law of chastity in very many ways, since his wife died. I have counselled him to deal with it but although he says he has now refrained for nearly a year, he is not willing to start the repentance process until he is sure he can keep to his intention. Also he is regarded as the strong and devout one in his family and doesn&#8217;t want to hurt them either. He feels that he has repented directly to God and although he teaches in priesthood , feels that he is different and he can manage the repentance process on his own.  How will this effect him longer term?</p>
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		By: BedMan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2014 19:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I believe that the time to get involved is if: 1) they are committing a serious sin (i.e. fornication/adultery) and about to take upon themselves a sacred covenant OR 2) They are officiating in a position they ought not to because of a serious sin (i.e. fornication/adultery).


In the end, pray and follow the Spirit. If the Spirit tells you to tell a priesthood leader, even if you think it&#039;s &quot;nosy&quot; or a seemingly insignificant problem, you still do it, because then you&#039;ll be following God&#039;s will. Likewise, if the Spirit tells you not to say anything, then hold your peace. You have the Spirit. Follow Him and use your best judgement in doing so.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that the time to get involved is if: 1) they are committing a serious sin (i.e. fornication/adultery) and about to take upon themselves a sacred covenant OR 2) They are officiating in a position they ought not to because of a serious sin (i.e. fornication/adultery).</p>
<p>In the end, pray and follow the Spirit. If the Spirit tells you to tell a priesthood leader, even if you think it&#8217;s &#8220;nosy&#8221; or a seemingly insignificant problem, you still do it, because then you&#8217;ll be following God&#8217;s will. Likewise, if the Spirit tells you not to say anything, then hold your peace. You have the Spirit. Follow Him and use your best judgement in doing so.</p>
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		By: A Happily Married Man		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2014 00:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dear Anonymous,

I have to agree with Gramps wholly about &quot;minding your own business.&quot; I have had several friends and acquaintances both in and out of the church over the years I knew who were doing things they shouldn&#039;t have, some very serious violations of God&#039;s commandments. As their friend, I have expressed my disapproval of their activities, warned them that there may be consequences for their actions if they didn&#039;t curb their behavior, and shown them that I will not participate in those same things. On the other hand, it doesn&#039;t mean we have a falling out and we aren&#039;t friends anymore, either.

I am sure at least 90% of members in the church struggle to feel worthy. I know we ALL have things we could repent of and do better. So what&#039;s the problem? Did not Heavenly Father provide us a Savior so we COULD? If you know this person so well, BE KIND. Treat them the way the Savior would. Did he stone and rally up the crowd to do so with the woman taken in adultery? That would be an emphatic NO. Maybe you being kind to this person and trying to understand their situation may be the key to bringing them to repentance. And if you really brought this person into the church as you say you did, maybe you have the most influence to help them, too. A heartfelt conversation to let them know you care about their ETERNAL WELFARE may be just what this person needs, since if what you say is true, their conscience may already be racked with guilt.


Like anybody who has ever felt bad for the wrongs they did and wanted to repent and do better, and that includes myself, &quot;wickedness never was happiness&quot; nor will it ever be.

Now if you want my take on things, people who &quot;tattle&quot; on others for every little thing are one of the reasons so many people are inactive from church today. I have more than one relative who was driven out of the church because people in it who could not shut their mouths. In fact, one of the people who told on one of my relatives was committing a far more grievous sin. If you want to make the church look like it&#039;s full of hypocrites rather than loving people who are trying to be like Jesus Christ, that&#039;s a surefire way to do it, and it will hinder the growth of the church.


But to make it simple, what did Jesus have to say about the matter?

&quot;Judge not, that ye be not judged.&quot;

David O. McKay also said this:

&quot;The purpose of the gospel is to make bad men good and good men better, and to change human nature.&quot;

Now if you are a true believer of the word, then maybe it is time to step up your game and be an ever truer friend to this person than you have been. I believe the true test of a friend is this: You can love someone for their shortcomings. You don&#039;t have to join them in their sins, but you need to understand that the flesh is weak and that God gave us weaknesses to humble ourselves (Ether 12:27).


And remember, God has reserved all of our judgment for Judgement Day, which in my humble opinion is why we are told to &quot;preach nothing but repentance&quot; and to &quot;prepare to meet God.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Anonymous,</p>
<p>I have to agree with Gramps wholly about &#8220;minding your own business.&#8221; I have had several friends and acquaintances both in and out of the church over the years I knew who were doing things they shouldn&#8217;t have, some very serious violations of God&#8217;s commandments. As their friend, I have expressed my disapproval of their activities, warned them that there may be consequences for their actions if they didn&#8217;t curb their behavior, and shown them that I will not participate in those same things. On the other hand, it doesn&#8217;t mean we have a falling out and we aren&#8217;t friends anymore, either.</p>
<p>I am sure at least 90% of members in the church struggle to feel worthy. I know we ALL have things we could repent of and do better. So what&#8217;s the problem? Did not Heavenly Father provide us a Savior so we COULD? If you know this person so well, BE KIND. Treat them the way the Savior would. Did he stone and rally up the crowd to do so with the woman taken in adultery? That would be an emphatic NO. Maybe you being kind to this person and trying to understand their situation may be the key to bringing them to repentance. And if you really brought this person into the church as you say you did, maybe you have the most influence to help them, too. A heartfelt conversation to let them know you care about their ETERNAL WELFARE may be just what this person needs, since if what you say is true, their conscience may already be racked with guilt.</p>
<p>Like anybody who has ever felt bad for the wrongs they did and wanted to repent and do better, and that includes myself, &#8220;wickedness never was happiness&#8221; nor will it ever be.</p>
<p>Now if you want my take on things, people who &#8220;tattle&#8221; on others for every little thing are one of the reasons so many people are inactive from church today. I have more than one relative who was driven out of the church because people in it who could not shut their mouths. In fact, one of the people who told on one of my relatives was committing a far more grievous sin. If you want to make the church look like it&#8217;s full of hypocrites rather than loving people who are trying to be like Jesus Christ, that&#8217;s a surefire way to do it, and it will hinder the growth of the church.</p>
<p>But to make it simple, what did Jesus have to say about the matter?</p>
<p>&#8220;Judge not, that ye be not judged.&#8221;</p>
<p>David O. McKay also said this:</p>
<p>&#8220;The purpose of the gospel is to make bad men good and good men better, and to change human nature.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now if you are a true believer of the word, then maybe it is time to step up your game and be an ever truer friend to this person than you have been. I believe the true test of a friend is this: You can love someone for their shortcomings. You don&#8217;t have to join them in their sins, but you need to understand that the flesh is weak and that God gave us weaknesses to humble ourselves (Ether 12:27).</p>
<p>And remember, God has reserved all of our judgment for Judgement Day, which in my humble opinion is why we are told to &#8220;preach nothing but repentance&#8221; and to &#8220;prepare to meet God.&#8221;</p>
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