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		By: Perlita		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/pay-tithing-social-security/#comment-35697</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Perlita]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 May 2017 04:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/pay-tithing-social-security/#comment-33638&quot;&gt;Chad Francom&lt;/a&gt;.

Amen!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/pay-tithing-social-security/#comment-33638">Chad Francom</a>.</p>
<p>Amen!</p>
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		By: Debra Lee		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/pay-tithing-social-security/#comment-35666</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Debra Lee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2017 12:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/pay-tithing-social-security/#comment-33649&quot;&gt;Wax&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Judging&quot; seems to be the favorite word these days. Stop accusing people of that for sharing what God has showed them. I want to hear! Thanks everyone for your insights on this!  I was searching for answers for my elderly recently widowed mother.  I know the answer in my heart but want to share some thoughts from others. I once sat next to someone whose tithe I accidently saw; it was something like $943.71.  I did have to chuckle on that...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/pay-tithing-social-security/#comment-33649">Wax</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Judging&#8221; seems to be the favorite word these days. Stop accusing people of that for sharing what God has showed them. I want to hear! Thanks everyone for your insights on this!  I was searching for answers for my elderly recently widowed mother.  I know the answer in my heart but want to share some thoughts from others. I once sat next to someone whose tithe I accidently saw; it was something like $943.71.  I did have to chuckle on that&#8230;</p>
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		By: me		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/pay-tithing-social-security/#comment-35548</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[me]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2017 18:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I feel really bad for pastors who take money from people on disability and social security. I feel bad for them because  I think the hottest place in hell will be for pastors who take money from people who don&#039;t have it. Heaven will be for the people on disability and social security. The little money they get is for food and they only get 20,000 a year.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel really bad for pastors who take money from people on disability and social security. I feel bad for them because  I think the hottest place in hell will be for pastors who take money from people who don&#8217;t have it. Heaven will be for the people on disability and social security. The little money they get is for food and they only get 20,000 a year.</p>
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		By: NYC branch president		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/pay-tithing-social-security/#comment-34760</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NYC branch president]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Mar 2016 13:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I ask some of u who is bishop and myself is branch president for deaf branch few members who get ssi, ssa, ssid or etcs... They don&#039;t get very much money and they are concern that if they follow 10 percent and they will not have enuf to pay the rent in nyc I told them just pay 20 a month till someday they have a job then pay honest tithing I know in this commandment we must pay honest tithing so what will u do if u are in my shoe?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I ask some of u who is bishop and myself is branch president for deaf branch few members who get ssi, ssa, ssid or etcs&#8230; They don&#8217;t get very much money and they are concern that if they follow 10 percent and they will not have enuf to pay the rent in nyc I told them just pay 20 a month till someday they have a job then pay honest tithing I know in this commandment we must pay honest tithing so what will u do if u are in my shoe?</p>
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		By: Shiginori Matsumoto		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/pay-tithing-social-security/#comment-34004</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shiginori Matsumoto]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2015 02:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I always considered social security as &quot;alms&quot; not &quot;increase&quot; or &quot;gains&quot;.  Many of those old enough to receive social security should be the recipients of assistance from the church. Social security is the U.S. Government giving a small portion back to you that they illegally took from you in an oppressive and unnecessary tax. This is probably our punishment for giving power to a Godless order and trying to lock God in church. I have heard preachers cite Mark 12:43-44 to instruct people on tithing:

43 And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say 
unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which 
have cast into the treasury: 
44 For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living.


I don&#039;t think this should be used as a legal guideline on tithing and certainly shouldn&#039;t be used to brow-beat the elderly for not tithing their social security. My mother is tithing her social security and I am trying to make up for what she is losing by sending her money every month. When I give her that money, I found out she was also tithing that! Something is wrong here I think. When you are the recipient of alms, you shouldn&#039;t be required to give a tenth of that to the church.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always considered social security as &#8220;alms&#8221; not &#8220;increase&#8221; or &#8220;gains&#8221;.  Many of those old enough to receive social security should be the recipients of assistance from the church. Social security is the U.S. Government giving a small portion back to you that they illegally took from you in an oppressive and unnecessary tax. This is probably our punishment for giving power to a Godless order and trying to lock God in church. I have heard preachers cite Mark 12:43-44 to instruct people on tithing:</p>
<p>43 And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say<br />
unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which<br />
have cast into the treasury:<br />
44 For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think this should be used as a legal guideline on tithing and certainly shouldn&#8217;t be used to brow-beat the elderly for not tithing their social security. My mother is tithing her social security and I am trying to make up for what she is losing by sending her money every month. When I give her that money, I found out she was also tithing that! Something is wrong here I think. When you are the recipient of alms, you shouldn&#8217;t be required to give a tenth of that to the church.</p>
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		By: creative_dude		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/pay-tithing-social-security/#comment-33996</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[creative_dude]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2015 14:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/pay-tithing-social-security/#comment-33645&quot;&gt;creative_dude&lt;/a&gt;.

I wrote this, please allow me to correct any misunderstandings.  I did not mean to make anyone feel guilty.  There was a time when I paid tithing on my net.  At that time in my life I felt I was a full tithepayer. (see original statement)  I still feel as though I had been a full tithepayer back then.  What changed? My understanding ? Maybe the gratitude I felt for the blessings ? Despite our desire to have a simple and discrete one line answer it is sometimes more than that. As our circumstances and our abilities change so does our understanding.  I did not say I started paying tithing on my gross because I had not been a tithepayer before.  I had been a tithepayer before.  I had been blessed for being a tithepayer before. Please do not falsely imply I was criticizing someone for not paying tithe on their gross, for I did not. I expressed gratitude for the chance to be a tithepayer.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/pay-tithing-social-security/#comment-33645">creative_dude</a>.</p>
<p>I wrote this, please allow me to correct any misunderstandings.  I did not mean to make anyone feel guilty.  There was a time when I paid tithing on my net.  At that time in my life I felt I was a full tithepayer. (see original statement)  I still feel as though I had been a full tithepayer back then.  What changed? My understanding ? Maybe the gratitude I felt for the blessings ? Despite our desire to have a simple and discrete one line answer it is sometimes more than that. As our circumstances and our abilities change so does our understanding.  I did not say I started paying tithing on my gross because I had not been a tithepayer before.  I had been a tithepayer before.  I had been blessed for being a tithepayer before. Please do not falsely imply I was criticizing someone for not paying tithe on their gross, for I did not. I expressed gratitude for the chance to be a tithepayer.</p>
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		By: Wax		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/pay-tithing-social-security/#comment-33759</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wax]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2015 16:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/pay-tithing-social-security/#comment-33758&quot;&gt;irishdraco&lt;/a&gt;.

Don&#039;t be hard on yourself and let the spirit guide you.  You sound like a very dedicated member of the church to me and good luck to you brother!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/pay-tithing-social-security/#comment-33758">irishdraco</a>.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t be hard on yourself and let the spirit guide you.  You sound like a very dedicated member of the church to me and good luck to you brother!</p>
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		By: irishdraco		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/pay-tithing-social-security/#comment-33758</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[irishdraco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2015 02:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/pay-tithing-social-security/#comment-33649&quot;&gt;Wax&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you. I am thankful for choosing whichever I see in ny eyes.  I will be held accountable for my actions. Knowledge and wisdom with fasting will answer this and many more questions.   I pay the bills since ny wives stroke.  And I pay. for both as I am directed by the lord.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/pay-tithing-social-security/#comment-33649">Wax</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you. I am thankful for choosing whichever I see in ny eyes.  I will be held accountable for my actions. Knowledge and wisdom with fasting will answer this and many more questions.   I pay the bills since ny wives stroke.  And I pay. for both as I am directed by the lord.  </p>
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		By: Shasta Jones		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/pay-tithing-social-security/#comment-33661</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shasta Jones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2014 00:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/pay-tithing-social-security/#comment-33638&quot;&gt;Chad Francom&lt;/a&gt;.

I keep track of the Social Security that I have paid so that I will know when I have exhausted the amount. I also keep track of my 401K which I will not I hope withdraw for several more years.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/pay-tithing-social-security/#comment-33638">Chad Francom</a>.</p>
<p>I keep track of the Social Security that I have paid so that I will know when I have exhausted the amount. I also keep track of my 401K which I will not I hope withdraw for several more years.</p>
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		By: Wax		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/pay-tithing-social-security/#comment-33653</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wax]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2014 15:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/pay-tithing-social-security/#comment-33647&quot;&gt;ae4gm&lt;/a&gt;.

If you add up state, fed, fica, medicare, property, sales tax, subsidies, fees, etc the list goes on and on  and on, (I live in California and taxes are brutal) i&#039;m paying 60% of my income towards these entities...this is oppressive.  I&#039;ll share with you that my wife is not a member of the church and she has no idea how much I pay in tithes...but I pay every single dime I can with out damaging my marriage.  That is what the Lord expects, he expects us to do the very best we can.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/pay-tithing-social-security/#comment-33647">ae4gm</a>.</p>
<p>If you add up state, fed, fica, medicare, property, sales tax, subsidies, fees, etc the list goes on and on  and on, (I live in California and taxes are brutal) i&#8217;m paying 60% of my income towards these entities&#8230;this is oppressive.  I&#8217;ll share with you that my wife is not a member of the church and she has no idea how much I pay in tithes&#8230;but I pay every single dime I can with out damaging my marriage.  That is what the Lord expects, he expects us to do the very best we can.</p>
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		By: Liz Perrott		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/pay-tithing-social-security/#comment-33652</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Liz Perrott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2014 07:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am thinking here what the term social security means in the UK. Usually it is means tested otherwise it is called something other than social security. It is is means tested then it is not intended for tithing purposes but basic subsistence.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am thinking here what the term social security means in the UK. Usually it is means tested otherwise it is called something other than social security. It is is means tested then it is not intended for tithing purposes but basic subsistence.</p>
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		By: Wax		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/pay-tithing-social-security/#comment-33649</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wax]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2014 18:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Way too much judging going on.  If you ask the Lord in prayer what to do, he will guide you for good.  I would never in a million years make someone feel bad about net versus gross.  None of us know how much a person gives to the Lord only he does.  I think it&#039;s fantastic that people in the church are willing to give back to the Lord 10% of net or gross...ether way, its the right direction versus not paying at all.  Lighten up church members, or you end up driving people away.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way too much judging going on.  If you ask the Lord in prayer what to do, he will guide you for good.  I would never in a million years make someone feel bad about net versus gross.  None of us know how much a person gives to the Lord only he does.  I think it&#8217;s fantastic that people in the church are willing to give back to the Lord 10% of net or gross&#8230;ether way, its the right direction versus not paying at all.  Lighten up church members, or you end up driving people away.</p>
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