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		By: Gregg Hammerquist		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/revelation-about-gay-marriage/#comment-35138&quot;&gt;Mr. Berry&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot; And I feel the Church is overtly mean spirited to parents that have gay children. Basically a part of their family is automatically an apostate for something that they really do not have control over.&quot;

Excuse you I am not apostate and have never been treated as such. And no one has ever treated my parents badly.  Except the world to tell them they&#039;re bad parents for raising and supporting me in the Gospel.

&quot;Of course a person can live their entire life as a lie or try to assimilate to what is considered normal.&quot;

Or you could just be yourself, as I am, and stay celibate.  Also an option.  The world always tells women they don&#039;t need a man but apparently this isn&#039;t true for gay men.

&quot;I believe most members of the Church only attach sexual behavior to a gay person. What they fail to realize is that a gay person is different and relates to the world differently.&quot;

They attach it because it&#039;s the only part about being gay that&#039;s actually a sin and anything beyond that isn&#039;t necessarily &quot;gay&quot;.

&quot;I do not know what the answer is directly, but I don&#039;t believe it is convincing gay people to enter into heterosexual relationships or sending them off to the conversion therapy.&quot;

Yeah that hasn&#039;t been a thing in the church for over 30 years and even then it was local leadership doing the best they could with limited knowledge.

&quot;Or does the Church want such people to live their entire lives without an intimate relationship?&quot;

Sure.  Many people are asked to live such a life.  If you don&#039;t want to, fine.  That is your choice.

&quot;All I am trying to say is it a much more complicated issue that just telling gay people they are going to hell.&quot;

Who says they&#039;re going to hell?  Do you understand how the Kingdoms of glory work?

&quot;(And I know a gay person that has stayed celibate his entire life due to his membership in the Church. You can tell he is gay a mile away. He constantly has to deal with mockery and private jokes. And he has to do alone. All alone. I do not think it is natural or right to deny someone the right to have an partner to get through life.)&quot;

Have a partner then.  Having homosexual sex is a sin, though.  And why is he doing it all alone?  Where the heck are you, or his family, or his friends?

Also, do you think he is the only one who deals with mockery or private jokes?  Everyone needs to stop being to self-centric.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/revelation-about-gay-marriage/#comment-35138">Mr. Berry</a>.</p>
<p>&#8221; And I feel the Church is overtly mean spirited to parents that have gay children. Basically a part of their family is automatically an apostate for something that they really do not have control over.&#8221;</p>
<p>Excuse you I am not apostate and have never been treated as such. And no one has ever treated my parents badly.  Except the world to tell them they&#8217;re bad parents for raising and supporting me in the Gospel.</p>
<p>&#8220;Of course a person can live their entire life as a lie or try to assimilate to what is considered normal.&#8221;</p>
<p>Or you could just be yourself, as I am, and stay celibate.  Also an option.  The world always tells women they don&#8217;t need a man but apparently this isn&#8217;t true for gay men.</p>
<p>&#8220;I believe most members of the Church only attach sexual behavior to a gay person. What they fail to realize is that a gay person is different and relates to the world differently.&#8221;</p>
<p>They attach it because it&#8217;s the only part about being gay that&#8217;s actually a sin and anything beyond that isn&#8217;t necessarily &#8220;gay&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;I do not know what the answer is directly, but I don&#8217;t believe it is convincing gay people to enter into heterosexual relationships or sending them off to the conversion therapy.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah that hasn&#8217;t been a thing in the church for over 30 years and even then it was local leadership doing the best they could with limited knowledge.</p>
<p>&#8220;Or does the Church want such people to live their entire lives without an intimate relationship?&#8221;</p>
<p>Sure.  Many people are asked to live such a life.  If you don&#8217;t want to, fine.  That is your choice.</p>
<p>&#8220;All I am trying to say is it a much more complicated issue that just telling gay people they are going to hell.&#8221;</p>
<p>Who says they&#8217;re going to hell?  Do you understand how the Kingdoms of glory work?</p>
<p>&#8220;(And I know a gay person that has stayed celibate his entire life due to his membership in the Church. You can tell he is gay a mile away. He constantly has to deal with mockery and private jokes. And he has to do alone. All alone. I do not think it is natural or right to deny someone the right to have an partner to get through life.)&#8221;</p>
<p>Have a partner then.  Having homosexual sex is a sin, though.  And why is he doing it all alone?  Where the heck are you, or his family, or his friends?</p>
<p>Also, do you think he is the only one who deals with mockery or private jokes?  Everyone needs to stop being to self-centric.</p>
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		By: Mr. Berry		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2016 05:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There are a lot gay people in this world.  I truly believe the Church is failing to minister its gay members.  And I feel the Church is overtly mean spirited to parents that have gay children.  Basically a part of their family is automatically an apostate for something that they really do not have control over.  Same sex attraction can rarely be changed.  Of course a person can live their entire life as a lie or try to assimilate to what is considered normal.  Often there is a wife involved and children.  And it creates a mess.  I personally support the Mama Dragons that provide support for their gay children and accept them for who they are.  I believe most members of the Church only attach sexual behavior to a gay person.  What they fail to realize is that a gay person is different and relates to the world differently.  They have an attraction that is no different than a straight person, but for the same sex and it is just as strong.   
I do not know what the answer is directly, but I don&#039;t believe it is convincing gay people to enter into heterosexual relationships or sending them off to the conversion therapy.  Or does the Church want such people to live their entire lives without an intimate relationship?
All I am trying to say is it a much more complicated issue that just telling gay people they are going to hell.  (And I know a gay person that has stayed celibate his entire life due to his membership in the Church.  You can tell he is gay a mile away.  He constantly has to deal with mockery and private jokes.  And he has to do alone.  All alone.   I do not think it is natural or right to deny someone the right to have an partner to get through life. )]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a lot gay people in this world.  I truly believe the Church is failing to minister its gay members.  And I feel the Church is overtly mean spirited to parents that have gay children.  Basically a part of their family is automatically an apostate for something that they really do not have control over.  Same sex attraction can rarely be changed.  Of course a person can live their entire life as a lie or try to assimilate to what is considered normal.  Often there is a wife involved and children.  And it creates a mess.  I personally support the Mama Dragons that provide support for their gay children and accept them for who they are.  I believe most members of the Church only attach sexual behavior to a gay person.  What they fail to realize is that a gay person is different and relates to the world differently.  They have an attraction that is no different than a straight person, but for the same sex and it is just as strong.<br />
I do not know what the answer is directly, but I don&#8217;t believe it is convincing gay people to enter into heterosexual relationships or sending them off to the conversion therapy.  Or does the Church want such people to live their entire lives without an intimate relationship?<br />
All I am trying to say is it a much more complicated issue that just telling gay people they are going to hell.  (And I know a gay person that has stayed celibate his entire life due to his membership in the Church.  You can tell he is gay a mile away.  He constantly has to deal with mockery and private jokes.  And he has to do alone.  All alone.   I do not think it is natural or right to deny someone the right to have an partner to get through life. )</p>
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