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	Comments on: Do we have to be a Savior to become like God and Jesus Christ?	</title>
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		By: Dan		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[You did not answer Mike Gramps and btw what gives you the right to say yea or nea on anything because you own a domain?

Joseph Smith clearly states in the King Follet Discourse that Jesus Christ had to lay down his life just as his Father had laid down his life. Don&#039;t pretend to know what happens after we depart from this World (p.s. the rules change). It makes perfect sense in the order of God ship that in order to become a God we must experience being a first born son who is sacrificed, then we must experience having a first born son sacrificed as well as another son rebelling and becoming Satan.  For all we know part of that may entail playing the role as the Holy Ghost as well. Do you believe Joseph Smith was a Prophet? he is the one who said it...Good for you Mike for paying attention as Joseph Smith said understanding the nature of our God is the key to eternal life and our mission.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You did not answer Mike Gramps and btw what gives you the right to say yea or nea on anything because you own a domain?</p>
<p>Joseph Smith clearly states in the King Follet Discourse that Jesus Christ had to lay down his life just as his Father had laid down his life. Don&#8217;t pretend to know what happens after we depart from this World (p.s. the rules change). It makes perfect sense in the order of God ship that in order to become a God we must experience being a first born son who is sacrificed, then we must experience having a first born son sacrificed as well as another son rebelling and becoming Satan.  For all we know part of that may entail playing the role as the Holy Ghost as well. Do you believe Joseph Smith was a Prophet? he is the one who said it&#8230;Good for you Mike for paying attention as Joseph Smith said understanding the nature of our God is the key to eternal life and our mission.</p>
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		By: Dee Woolley		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/savior-become-like-god-jesus-christ/#comment-33128</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2014 00:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The way I would ask the question is like this: When God the Father was a mortal, was he a Savior like Jesus is the Savior? The answer is probably that we don&#039;t know. The reason it makes a difference to me is that it gives me more hope to &quot;become like God&quot; if God was an &quot;ordinary&quot; mortal like me, with a mortal mother and father. Also, the famous couplet, &quot;as man is God once was; as God is man may become,&quot; seems misleading if the way God was is the way the Savior was in mortality. Jesus&#039; life, the mortal period of a member of the godhead, was not &quot;as man is&quot; except in a narrow sense.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way I would ask the question is like this: When God the Father was a mortal, was he a Savior like Jesus is the Savior? The answer is probably that we don&#8217;t know. The reason it makes a difference to me is that it gives me more hope to &#8220;become like God&#8221; if God was an &#8220;ordinary&#8221; mortal like me, with a mortal mother and father. Also, the famous couplet, &#8220;as man is God once was; as God is man may become,&#8221; seems misleading if the way God was is the way the Savior was in mortality. Jesus&#8217; life, the mortal period of a member of the godhead, was not &#8220;as man is&#8221; except in a narrow sense.</p>
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		By: Huh?		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/savior-become-like-god-jesus-christ/#comment-32721</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2014 22:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What happened to the comments that used to be under this post?  All of a sudden, POOF - Gone.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happened to the comments that used to be under this post?  All of a sudden, POOF &#8211; Gone.</p>
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		By: TempleSquare		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/savior-become-like-god-jesus-christ/#comment-32563</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2014 17:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If I may, I will offer 3 reasons why I personally believe that Mike&#039;s question is valid and correct, though I really only need one reason - Christ&#039;s own words:  

(John 5:19)  &quot;Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.&quot;

Joseph Smith elaborated on this.  To the ponderous individual, this rightly has immense and perpetually systematic implications that do indeed suggest that the Father knew exactly what the Son was going through by way of direct personal experience and example.  In other words, Father himself had already fulfilled the role of Savior at a time when he was not the Fathe, but a brother.  And the Savior was permitted to witness this prior event in vision.

Truman G. Madsen confirmed this in his spectacular &quot;Joseph Smith the Prophet&quot; series of talks, sanctioned by the First Presidency, in which Madsen called it &quot;deep water&quot; (deep doctrine), but describes it nonetheless as more than supposition.  John 5:19 makes it scriptural, and thus doctrinal, though still vague at this time.  This doctrine currently does not further elaborate if this role of Savior is only reserved for firstborn males, but by way of existing doctrine, scriptural description, and sound deduction, it seems to suggest.  At the very least, this is clearly a perpetual and highly organized system of salvation the likes of which mankind semms rather ill prepared to fully understand.

Interestingly, as the firstborn male in my family, my partriarchal blessing vaguely suggests this as well, stating that I will ultimately and somehow be a &quot;savior&quot; to my family, thoug it does not elaborate in what manner this might take place.  Quite honestly, I don&#039;t want to know any more details than that at this time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I may, I will offer 3 reasons why I personally believe that Mike&#8217;s question is valid and correct, though I really only need one reason &#8211; Christ&#8217;s own words:  </p>
<p>(John 5:19)  &#8220;Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.&#8221;</p>
<p>Joseph Smith elaborated on this.  To the ponderous individual, this rightly has immense and perpetually systematic implications that do indeed suggest that the Father knew exactly what the Son was going through by way of direct personal experience and example.  In other words, Father himself had already fulfilled the role of Savior at a time when he was not the Fathe, but a brother.  And the Savior was permitted to witness this prior event in vision.</p>
<p>Truman G. Madsen confirmed this in his spectacular &#8220;Joseph Smith the Prophet&#8221; series of talks, sanctioned by the First Presidency, in which Madsen called it &#8220;deep water&#8221; (deep doctrine), but describes it nonetheless as more than supposition.  John 5:19 makes it scriptural, and thus doctrinal, though still vague at this time.  This doctrine currently does not further elaborate if this role of Savior is only reserved for firstborn males, but by way of existing doctrine, scriptural description, and sound deduction, it seems to suggest.  At the very least, this is clearly a perpetual and highly organized system of salvation the likes of which mankind semms rather ill prepared to fully understand.</p>
<p>Interestingly, as the firstborn male in my family, my partriarchal blessing vaguely suggests this as well, stating that I will ultimately and somehow be a &#8220;savior&#8221; to my family, thoug it does not elaborate in what manner this might take place.  Quite honestly, I don&#8217;t want to know any more details than that at this time.</p>
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		By: Mike		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/savior-become-like-god-jesus-christ/#comment-32461</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2014 17:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dear Gramps,

This is a personal email to you.  I know that you went well out of your way to address my question.  I also know that you were inspired to address it the fashion that you did.  I want you to know how humbled I am by your response and that you provided me many resources to reflect upon.  I appreciate you very much, and I wished that I could hug you!!  My testimony and faith in the Lord continues to grow, I love the Prophet Joseph and his testimony of the Savior and God the Father and his obedience to the Lord in all things.  The church is more intriguing then anything else that I&#039;ve ever had pleasure of knowing.   I love the Savior and do have faith in him...thank you for your response!

Bless you,

Mike ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Gramps,</p>
<p>This is a personal email to you.  I know that you went well out of your way to address my question.  I also know that you were inspired to address it the fashion that you did.  I want you to know how humbled I am by your response and that you provided me many resources to reflect upon.  I appreciate you very much, and I wished that I could hug you!!  My testimony and faith in the Lord continues to grow, I love the Prophet Joseph and his testimony of the Savior and God the Father and his obedience to the Lord in all things.  The church is more intriguing then anything else that I&#8217;ve ever had pleasure of knowing.   I love the Savior and do have faith in him&#8230;thank you for your response!</p>
<p>Bless you,</p>
<p>Mike </p>
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