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	Comments on: Do you think we&#8217;ll see General Authorities with beards in the future?	</title>
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		By: Douglas Self		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/think-well-see-general-authorities-beards-future/#comment-35698</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Douglas Self]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2017 19:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Beards will be sported when it&#039;s considered businesslike and conservative in appearance.  It was in BY&#039;s day.  GA&#039;s give up a lot, especially business and professional opportunities, to serve,which they do so gladly, and typically are humble enough to forgo their personal grooming preferences as they represent the Church in their capacity.
I would agree that it shouldn&#039;t &#039;matter&#039;, but the neither the Lord, nor his servants, have seen fit to obtain MY counsel on the subject, let alone any other.  The Lord knows what He&#039;s doing, and if he demands a &#039;clean shave&#039; of his highest servants, so be it.  Maybe the Church&#039;s investment arm bought &quot;Dollar Shave Club&quot;.  Who knows?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beards will be sported when it&#8217;s considered businesslike and conservative in appearance.  It was in BY&#8217;s day.  GA&#8217;s give up a lot, especially business and professional opportunities, to serve,which they do so gladly, and typically are humble enough to forgo their personal grooming preferences as they represent the Church in their capacity.<br />
I would agree that it shouldn&#8217;t &#8216;matter&#8217;, but the neither the Lord, nor his servants, have seen fit to obtain MY counsel on the subject, let alone any other.  The Lord knows what He&#8217;s doing, and if he demands a &#8216;clean shave&#8217; of his highest servants, so be it.  Maybe the Church&#8217;s investment arm bought &#8220;Dollar Shave Club&#8221;.  Who knows?</p>
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		By: carbonware		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/think-well-see-general-authorities-beards-future/#comment-35253</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2016 15:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/think-well-see-general-authorities-beards-future/#comment-35171&quot;&gt;Robert&lt;/a&gt;.

Not that it matters to me what you do either way but how does &quot;keeping myself clean shaven because it represents a separation for me from the ways of the world.&quot; when much of the world conforms to that look? In fact some of the most despicable people in the world today, in politics and in business conform to the look you consider somehow more special. For me that conformity is more about looking like the 1950s business man that the church likes to project than it does a separation from the world. It looks exactly like the worldly look to me. I&#039;m not suggesting you need or should have facial hair or not. Only that there is also a commandment that we learn to govern ourselves outside of just blindly following which many in the church have come to do. I appreciate the desire to &quot;look like the church leaders&quot; and I respect that position as long as it&#039;s for the right reasons. Too many people do it so thy don&#039;t have to think for themselves and force cultural things to control others rather than to just worry about themselves.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/think-well-see-general-authorities-beards-future/#comment-35171">Robert</a>.</p>
<p>Not that it matters to me what you do either way but how does &#8220;keeping myself clean shaven because it represents a separation for me from the ways of the world.&#8221; when much of the world conforms to that look? In fact some of the most despicable people in the world today, in politics and in business conform to the look you consider somehow more special. For me that conformity is more about looking like the 1950s business man that the church likes to project than it does a separation from the world. It looks exactly like the worldly look to me. I&#8217;m not suggesting you need or should have facial hair or not. Only that there is also a commandment that we learn to govern ourselves outside of just blindly following which many in the church have come to do. I appreciate the desire to &#8220;look like the church leaders&#8221; and I respect that position as long as it&#8217;s for the right reasons. Too many people do it so thy don&#8217;t have to think for themselves and force cultural things to control others rather than to just worry about themselves.</p>
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		By: carbonware		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/think-well-see-general-authorities-beards-future/#comment-35252</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2016 15:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/think-well-see-general-authorities-beards-future/#comment-35175&quot;&gt;Liz Perrott&lt;/a&gt;.

To a degree yes I agree with you, we are also told to not mark our skin, nor over indulge in adornment and costly apparel in the scriptures. Some people seem to think that means its ok to wear tea-shirts and denim dresses to church even if they can afford to dress better. I do find it amusing how men are expected to conform to a uniform where even wearing the wrong style of suit or ties will get you criticized  but women are not. en without suits or who dress too casually are considered &quot;projects&quot; that need to be worked on in some wards but women can get away with almost anything and no one seems to care much about it. Double standard?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/think-well-see-general-authorities-beards-future/#comment-35175">Liz Perrott</a>.</p>
<p>To a degree yes I agree with you, we are also told to not mark our skin, nor over indulge in adornment and costly apparel in the scriptures. Some people seem to think that means its ok to wear tea-shirts and denim dresses to church even if they can afford to dress better. I do find it amusing how men are expected to conform to a uniform where even wearing the wrong style of suit or ties will get you criticized  but women are not. en without suits or who dress too casually are considered &#8220;projects&#8221; that need to be worked on in some wards but women can get away with almost anything and no one seems to care much about it. Double standard?</p>
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		By: carbonware		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/think-well-see-general-authorities-beards-future/#comment-35251</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[carbonware]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2016 15:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/think-well-see-general-authorities-beards-future/#comment-35177&quot;&gt;CC&lt;/a&gt;.

Where I live he would never have been asked. I think our Temple workers in our area are asked to shave, but I know of at least one man who does not to cover a skin problem he has. But as I said I&#039;ve seen lots of leaders with facial hair in recent years, it really is just the preference of the local leader more than it is a rule. And I&#039;ll argue that it&#039;s more about conformity than serving any purpose. And I don&#039;t sport a mustache or a beard but I do have a small goatee that covers a constant and permanent skin rash.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/think-well-see-general-authorities-beards-future/#comment-35177">CC</a>.</p>
<p>Where I live he would never have been asked. I think our Temple workers in our area are asked to shave, but I know of at least one man who does not to cover a skin problem he has. But as I said I&#8217;ve seen lots of leaders with facial hair in recent years, it really is just the preference of the local leader more than it is a rule. And I&#8217;ll argue that it&#8217;s more about conformity than serving any purpose. And I don&#8217;t sport a mustache or a beard but I do have a small goatee that covers a constant and permanent skin rash.</p>
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		By: carbonware		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/think-well-see-general-authorities-beards-future/#comment-35250</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[carbonware]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2016 15:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/think-well-see-general-authorities-beards-future/#comment-35191&quot;&gt;Horace&lt;/a&gt;.

That was not the point at all. And I think you know that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/think-well-see-general-authorities-beards-future/#comment-35191">Horace</a>.</p>
<p>That was not the point at all. And I think you know that.</p>
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		By: Maynard G Krebs		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/think-well-see-general-authorities-beards-future/#comment-35242</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maynard G Krebs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2016 06:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re so right. Much to do about nothing!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re so right. Much to do about nothing!</p>
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		By: Maynard G Krebs		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/think-well-see-general-authorities-beards-future/#comment-35241</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maynard G Krebs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2016 06:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/think-well-see-general-authorities-beards-future/#comment-35171&quot;&gt;Robert&lt;/a&gt;.

I get that it&#039;s not your personal choice to have a beard, etc. but since HF and Jesus Christ both appeared to Joseph Smith sporting beards, that tells me beards are not &quot;of the world.&quot;  Case closed. In some cultures, men with no facial hair are considered effeminate.  It&#039;s a cultural and not a religious practice. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/think-well-see-general-authorities-beards-future/#comment-35171">Robert</a>.</p>
<p>I get that it&#8217;s not your personal choice to have a beard, etc. but since HF and Jesus Christ both appeared to Joseph Smith sporting beards, that tells me beards are not &#8220;of the world.&#8221;  Case closed. In some cultures, men with no facial hair are considered effeminate.  It&#8217;s a cultural and not a religious practice. </p>
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		By: Maynard G Krebs		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/think-well-see-general-authorities-beards-future/#comment-35240</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maynard G Krebs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2016 06:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/think-well-see-general-authorities-beards-future/#comment-35177&quot;&gt;CC&lt;/a&gt;.

I know an LDS you, who when asked if he would go on a mission when asked by his boss replied, he didn&#039;t plan to.  Then the boss said he&#039;d fire him and did.  I would say to your husband that the Church is true, but he needs to stand his ground agains cultural Mormons and keep his beard. People, even leaders who bring cultural bias into the Church, need to have their practices pointed out as not being part of Church doctrine when appropriate. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/think-well-see-general-authorities-beards-future/#comment-35177">CC</a>.</p>
<p>I know an LDS you, who when asked if he would go on a mission when asked by his boss replied, he didn&#8217;t plan to.  Then the boss said he&#8217;d fire him and did.  I would say to your husband that the Church is true, but he needs to stand his ground agains cultural Mormons and keep his beard. People, even leaders who bring cultural bias into the Church, need to have their practices pointed out as not being part of Church doctrine when appropriate. </p>
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		By: Robert Wasmund		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/think-well-see-general-authorities-beards-future/#comment-35193</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Wasmund]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2016 18:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[All I know is that it is only women, never men, asking me to shave my facial hair.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I know is that it is only women, never men, asking me to shave my facial hair.</p>
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		By: Horace		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/think-well-see-general-authorities-beards-future/#comment-35191</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Horace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2016 22:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So everyone should assert their individuality by growing facial hair?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So everyone should assert their individuality by growing facial hair?</p>
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		By: Shawn		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/think-well-see-general-authorities-beards-future/#comment-35181</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shawn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2016 01:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the answer Gramps. I&#039;m somewhat biased when it comes to this topic, because growing up, though very familiar with bare faces in the Church and otherwise, I have always wanted to sport a beard when I was able to. In most cases I thought and still think that it&#039;s aesthetically pleasing. I&#039;d like to think that this question came about mostly because of my imagining of how epic Elder Holland or others of the Twelve would look with beards. But that&#039;s just me :) thanks again for your response!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the answer Gramps. I&#8217;m somewhat biased when it comes to this topic, because growing up, though very familiar with bare faces in the Church and otherwise, I have always wanted to sport a beard when I was able to. In most cases I thought and still think that it&#8217;s aesthetically pleasing. I&#8217;d like to think that this question came about mostly because of my imagining of how epic Elder Holland or others of the Twelve would look with beards. But that&#8217;s just me :) thanks again for your response!</p>
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		By: CC		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/think-well-see-general-authorities-beards-future/#comment-35177</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2016 22:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So are men allowed to or not?  My husband used to have most wonderful beard and mustache.  More like Robert Downy Jr then a Duck dynasty sort of thing.  He was made a high priest and he asked point blank if he would have to shave and he was told no.  A few months later, he was very publicly humiliated and told if he did not shave he would be relieved of his position.  My husband hid a facial deformity with his mustache that is frankly hard to shave around.  It&#039;s done a number on his self esteem and he&#039;s so depressed I wish he would just grow the facial hair back and tell them he wants to be an elder again.  At least then he was happy. I can understand that they don&#039;t want church leaders to look like wild men but look at some of the former prophets.  They were all fashionable for their times.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So are men allowed to or not?  My husband used to have most wonderful beard and mustache.  More like Robert Downy Jr then a Duck dynasty sort of thing.  He was made a high priest and he asked point blank if he would have to shave and he was told no.  A few months later, he was very publicly humiliated and told if he did not shave he would be relieved of his position.  My husband hid a facial deformity with his mustache that is frankly hard to shave around.  It&#8217;s done a number on his self esteem and he&#8217;s so depressed I wish he would just grow the facial hair back and tell them he wants to be an elder again.  At least then he was happy. I can understand that they don&#8217;t want church leaders to look like wild men but look at some of the former prophets.  They were all fashionable for their times.</p>
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