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		By: Terri pollock		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/what-is-the-doctrine-on-homosexuality-and-the-final-judgement/#comment-35268</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Terri pollock]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2016 22:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[God said mansion a life with one man shall not live with man nor beast God says it&#039;s not what you say but it&#039;s what&#039;s in your heart he believes so what does a homosexual do with this if they have the feelings but don&#039;t feel like it&#039;s]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God said mansion a life with one man shall not live with man nor beast God says it&#8217;s not what you say but it&#8217;s what&#8217;s in your heart he believes so what does a homosexual do with this if they have the feelings but don&#8217;t feel like it&#8217;s</p>
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		By: Jim		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/what-is-the-doctrine-on-homosexuality-and-the-final-judgement/#comment-35116</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2016 20:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/what-is-the-doctrine-on-homosexuality-and-the-final-judgement/#comment-34580&quot;&gt;Cassandove&lt;/a&gt;.

If we are to only obey Constitutional laws, can I decide which laws are consitutional and which are not?

For example, could I choose to disobey any gun control laws which I belive violate the constitution (I personally believe most do).

How about laws that impose restrictions on freedom of speech?  Can I violate those without consequance?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/what-is-the-doctrine-on-homosexuality-and-the-final-judgement/#comment-34580">Cassandove</a>.</p>
<p>If we are to only obey Constitutional laws, can I decide which laws are consitutional and which are not?</p>
<p>For example, could I choose to disobey any gun control laws which I belive violate the constitution (I personally believe most do).</p>
<p>How about laws that impose restrictions on freedom of speech?  Can I violate those without consequance?</p>
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		By: Jupiter		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/what-is-the-doctrine-on-homosexuality-and-the-final-judgement/#comment-34948</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jupiter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2016 21:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/what-is-the-doctrine-on-homosexuality-and-the-final-judgement/#comment-34632&quot;&gt;Jamescm&lt;/a&gt;.

Successfully avoiding heartache in any life surely includes avoiding thinking like yours...speaking as someone having been in the very same sea, of course!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/what-is-the-doctrine-on-homosexuality-and-the-final-judgement/#comment-34632">Jamescm</a>.</p>
<p>Successfully avoiding heartache in any life surely includes avoiding thinking like yours&#8230;speaking as someone having been in the very same sea, of course!</p>
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		By: Deborah Crow		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/what-is-the-doctrine-on-homosexuality-and-the-final-judgement/#comment-34660</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deborah Crow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2016 17:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/what-is-the-doctrine-on-homosexuality-and-the-final-judgement/#comment-34605&quot;&gt;Liz Perrott&lt;/a&gt;.

And that&#039;s the lie Satan would have you believe.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/what-is-the-doctrine-on-homosexuality-and-the-final-judgement/#comment-34605">Liz Perrott</a>.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s the lie Satan would have you believe.</p>
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		By: Jamescm		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/what-is-the-doctrine-on-homosexuality-and-the-final-judgement/#comment-34632</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jamescm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2016 23:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/what-is-the-doctrine-on-homosexuality-and-the-final-judgement/#comment-34554&quot;&gt;Liz Perrott&lt;/a&gt;.

When it comes to obedience to the law, given the flagrant denial of marriage-protecting laws that went on until unelected judges sought to pervert them through judicial fiat.  I would argue that those who uphold the law would stand and oppose these things.
What&#039;s more, love is about helping others grow spiritually, not gratifying sexual desires.  Marriage is about uniting and growing families, not performing sex acts.
Finally, with a dedication to what is true and a love to try and help others, rather than cave and be a &quot;yes-man&quot;, I must state that the purpose of sex is to bind a man and woman together physically and emotionally, and to bring children to the world.  Homosexuality falls short of both goals; it is therefore, objectively, a perversion.  The bond two people of the same sex can have is very deep and not limited to those who identify as &quot;homosexual&quot;, but it is simply not the same as the physically, psychologically, and spiritually complementing bond of a man and a woman.
I can tell you, as someone who&#039;s been in the same sea, that surrendering God&#039;s commandments to live out sexual desires or false philosophies brings heartache in this life, and will in the life to come.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/what-is-the-doctrine-on-homosexuality-and-the-final-judgement/#comment-34554">Liz Perrott</a>.</p>
<p>When it comes to obedience to the law, given the flagrant denial of marriage-protecting laws that went on until unelected judges sought to pervert them through judicial fiat.  I would argue that those who uphold the law would stand and oppose these things.<br />
What&#8217;s more, love is about helping others grow spiritually, not gratifying sexual desires.  Marriage is about uniting and growing families, not performing sex acts.<br />
Finally, with a dedication to what is true and a love to try and help others, rather than cave and be a &#8220;yes-man&#8221;, I must state that the purpose of sex is to bind a man and woman together physically and emotionally, and to bring children to the world.  Homosexuality falls short of both goals; it is therefore, objectively, a perversion.  The bond two people of the same sex can have is very deep and not limited to those who identify as &#8220;homosexual&#8221;, but it is simply not the same as the physically, psychologically, and spiritually complementing bond of a man and a woman.<br />
I can tell you, as someone who&#8217;s been in the same sea, that surrendering God&#8217;s commandments to live out sexual desires or false philosophies brings heartache in this life, and will in the life to come.</p>
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		By: Liz Perrott		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/what-is-the-doctrine-on-homosexuality-and-the-final-judgement/#comment-34605</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Liz Perrott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2016 22:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/what-is-the-doctrine-on-homosexuality-and-the-final-judgement/#comment-34580&quot;&gt;Cassandove&lt;/a&gt;.

Sorry to disagree, having known personally several devout people in same sex relationships who&#039;s spiritually and care towards others would put many of us to shame. There is no comparison between same sex love relationships and incest, adultery, paedophilia. I prefer to go by the Letters of Paul to the Corinthians. and also the way Jesus rebuked the Philistines for putting religious law above love and humanity. Why would God create L&#038;G people with the ability to love  another person and then forbid them to do so?  That sounds more like Man&#039;s  law than God&#039;s Law!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/what-is-the-doctrine-on-homosexuality-and-the-final-judgement/#comment-34580">Cassandove</a>.</p>
<p>Sorry to disagree, having known personally several devout people in same sex relationships who&#8217;s spiritually and care towards others would put many of us to shame. There is no comparison between same sex love relationships and incest, adultery, paedophilia. I prefer to go by the Letters of Paul to the Corinthians. and also the way Jesus rebuked the Philistines for putting religious law above love and humanity. Why would God create L&amp;G people with the ability to love  another person and then forbid them to do so?  That sounds more like Man&#8217;s  law than God&#8217;s Law!</p>
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		By: Cassandove		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/what-is-the-doctrine-on-homosexuality-and-the-final-judgement/#comment-34580</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cassandove]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2015 06:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/what-is-the-doctrine-on-homosexuality-and-the-final-judgement/#comment-34554&quot;&gt;Liz Perrott&lt;/a&gt;.

We are all made in God&#039;s image,  but He has set the laws and standards for the Church. Same-sex relationships, incest, adultery, and multiple other things defy His standards for the law of chastity and the temple covenants.

Many LGBT+ people - including myself prior to conversion - equate sexual attractions to the love that comes in a covenant keeping marriage and family. It&#039;s different. 

Also, civil law does not define Godly law, and we are to ONLY obey CONSTITUTIONAL laws - laws impeding on the religious sanctity of marriage and family relationships are NOT Constitutional. Please don&#039;t use civil law to back theology, as civilly it was legal to kill Mormons on sight in some states until 1978 or later... And civil laws allowed for the murders of thousands of Saints...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/what-is-the-doctrine-on-homosexuality-and-the-final-judgement/#comment-34554">Liz Perrott</a>.</p>
<p>We are all made in God&#8217;s image,  but He has set the laws and standards for the Church. Same-sex relationships, incest, adultery, and multiple other things defy His standards for the law of chastity and the temple covenants.</p>
<p>Many LGBT+ people &#8211; including myself prior to conversion &#8211; equate sexual attractions to the love that comes in a covenant keeping marriage and family. It&#8217;s different. </p>
<p>Also, civil law does not define Godly law, and we are to ONLY obey CONSTITUTIONAL laws &#8211; laws impeding on the religious sanctity of marriage and family relationships are NOT Constitutional. Please don&#8217;t use civil law to back theology, as civilly it was legal to kill Mormons on sight in some states until 1978 or later&#8230; And civil laws allowed for the murders of thousands of Saints&#8230;</p>
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		By: Terri		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/what-is-the-doctrine-on-homosexuality-and-the-final-judgement/#comment-34560</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Terri]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2015 16:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/what-is-the-doctrine-on-homosexuality-and-the-final-judgement/#comment-34554&quot;&gt;Liz Perrott&lt;/a&gt;.

I would think that being what God wants me to be is better than anything that I think I can be by myself. I&#039;m curious if you read the whole answer from &quot;gramps&quot;, LizP.
Just because I love a married man, that doesn&#039;t mean I should pursue him. Just because I love my brother, that doesn&#039;t mean I should marry him. Just because I love my Father, Grandfather, Uncle, Cousin... that doesn&#039;t mean a sexual relationship with any of them would be &#039;pleasing unto the Lord&#039;.

You said: //sexual attraction leading to same sex relationships or marriage is usually based on love not, merely sexual attraction//

Well, that is your opinion, not substantiated by facts. I could argue my opinion that &quot;usually&quot; same sex attraction happens because people grow up without a father, or they have an emotionally absent father, thus the males are looking for the love they missed from their fathers, and the females took over the &#039;dominant male role&#039; while growing up, thus making them more &#039;manly&#039;. But, like I said, it&#039;s my opinion. I don&#039;t have any facts, or studies, or evidence. I just have some testimonials of individuals who stated on their own that as they learned to heal the broken relationship and their broken hearts with their own father (whether the father was willing to or not) they learned to have less temptation to break the law of chastity. Some have successfully found and cultivated love in a heterosexual marriage.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/what-is-the-doctrine-on-homosexuality-and-the-final-judgement/#comment-34554">Liz Perrott</a>.</p>
<p>I would think that being what God wants me to be is better than anything that I think I can be by myself. I&#8217;m curious if you read the whole answer from &#8220;gramps&#8221;, LizP.<br />
Just because I love a married man, that doesn&#8217;t mean I should pursue him. Just because I love my brother, that doesn&#8217;t mean I should marry him. Just because I love my Father, Grandfather, Uncle, Cousin&#8230; that doesn&#8217;t mean a sexual relationship with any of them would be &#8216;pleasing unto the Lord&#8217;.</p>
<p>You said: //sexual attraction leading to same sex relationships or marriage is usually based on love not, merely sexual attraction//</p>
<p>Well, that is your opinion, not substantiated by facts. I could argue my opinion that &#8220;usually&#8221; same sex attraction happens because people grow up without a father, or they have an emotionally absent father, thus the males are looking for the love they missed from their fathers, and the females took over the &#8216;dominant male role&#8217; while growing up, thus making them more &#8216;manly&#8217;. But, like I said, it&#8217;s my opinion. I don&#8217;t have any facts, or studies, or evidence. I just have some testimonials of individuals who stated on their own that as they learned to heal the broken relationship and their broken hearts with their own father (whether the father was willing to or not) they learned to have less temptation to break the law of chastity. Some have successfully found and cultivated love in a heterosexual marriage.</p>
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		By: creative_dude		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[creative_dude]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2015 04:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We are in the days when men strain at gnats yet swallow camels whole. Each of us is born with as wide a range of possible mistakes as is possible.  Despite all of the possibilities we are born with we have within ourselves the ability to become what we want to be. We merely need to realize and accept the guidance. Love is a state of mind where another persons happiness is essential to our own.  That is a long way from the argument that sex is love.  Being able to make a counter case is a valuable thing.  Being able to listen to the things the Lord wants of us is even more so.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are in the days when men strain at gnats yet swallow camels whole. Each of us is born with as wide a range of possible mistakes as is possible.  Despite all of the possibilities we are born with we have within ourselves the ability to become what we want to be. We merely need to realize and accept the guidance. Love is a state of mind where another persons happiness is essential to our own.  That is a long way from the argument that sex is love.  Being able to make a counter case is a valuable thing.  Being able to listen to the things the Lord wants of us is even more so.</p>
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		By: Liz Perrott		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/what-is-the-doctrine-on-homosexuality-and-the-final-judgement/#comment-34554</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Liz Perrott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2015 00:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[sexual attraction  leading to same sex relationships or marriage is usually based on love not, merely sexual attraction. How can expressing love ever be wrong?  secondly I was taught we should obey civil laws not just some of them.  It is so wrong to always think of same sex love as some sort of sexual perversion or even sexual act.  Surely if we are made in God&#039;s image it means all of us not just heterosexuals.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sexual attraction  leading to same sex relationships or marriage is usually based on love not, merely sexual attraction. How can expressing love ever be wrong?  secondly I was taught we should obey civil laws not just some of them.  It is so wrong to always think of same sex love as some sort of sexual perversion or even sexual act.  Surely if we are made in God&#8217;s image it means all of us not just heterosexuals.</p>
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