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	Comments on: Why are we not encouraged to pray for those in the spirit world?	</title>
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		By: Melissa		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/why-are-we-not-encouraged-to-pray-for-those-in-the-spirit-world/#comment-34193</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Melissa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2015 16:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Answer: Praying for the dead is not a biblical concept. Our prayers have no bearing on someone once he or she has died. The reality is that, at the point of death, one’s eternal destiny is confirmed. Either he is saved through faith in Christ and is in heaven where he is experiencing rest and joy in God’s presence, or he is in torment in hell. The story of the rich man and Lazarus the beggar provides us with a vivid illustration of this truth. Jesus plainly used this story to teach that after death the unrighteous are eternally separated from God, that they remember their rejection of the gospel, that they are in torment, and that their condition cannot be remedied (Luke 16:19-31).

Often, people who have lost a loved one are encouraged to pray for those who have passed away and for their families. Of course, we should pray for those grieving, but for the dead, no. No one should ever believe that someone may be able to pray for him, thereby effecting some kind of favorable outcome, after he has died. The Bible teaches that the eternal state of mankind is determined by our actions during our lives on earth. “The soul who sins is the one who will die. . . . The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him” (Ezekiel 18:20).

The writer to the Hebrews tells us, “Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment” (Hebrews 9:27). Here we understand that no change in one’s spiritual condition can be made following his death—either by himself or through the efforts of others. If it is useless to pray for the living, who are committing “a sin that leads to death” (1 John 5:16), i.e., continual sin without seeking God’s forgiveness, how could prayer for those who are already dead benefit them, since there is no post-mortem plan of salvation?

The point is that each of us has but one life, and we are responsible for how we live that life. Others may influence our choices, but ultimately we must give an account for the choices we make. Once life is over, there are no more choices to be made; we have no choice but to face judgment. The prayers of others may express their desires, but they won’t change the outcome. The time to pray for a person is while he or she lives and there is still the possibility of his or her heart, attitudes, and behavior being changed (Romans 2:3-9).

It is natural to have a desire to pray in times of pain, suffering, and loss of loved ones and friends, but we know the boundaries of valid prayer as revealed in the Bible. The Bible is the only official prayer manual, and it teaches that prayers for the dead are futile. Yet we find the practice of praying for the dead observed in certain areas of “Christendom.” Roman Catholic theology, for example, allows for prayers both to the dead and on behalf of them. But even Catholic authorities admit that there is no explicit authorization for prayers on behalf of the dead in the sixty-six books of canonical Scripture. Instead, they appeal to the Apocrypha (2 Maccabees 12:46), church tradition, the decree of the Council of Trent, etc., to defend the practice.

The Bible teaches that those who have yielded to the Savior’s will (Hebrews 5:8-9) enter directly and immediately into the presence of the Lord after death (Luke 23:43; Philippians 1:23; 2 Corinthians 5:6, 8). What need, then, do they have for the prayers of people on the earth? While we sympathize with those who have lost dear ones, we must bear in mind that “now is the time of God’s favor, now is the day of salvation” (2 Corinthians 6:2). While the context refers to the gospel age as a whole, the verse is fitting for any individual who is unprepared to face the inevitable—death and the judgment that follows (Romans 5:12; 1 Corinthians 15:26; Hebrews 9:27). Death is final, and after that, no amount of praying will avail a person of the salvation he has rejected in life.

 http://www.gotquestions.org/praying-for-the-dead.html#ixzz3dF19BMrv
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Answer: Praying for the dead is not a biblical concept. Our prayers have no bearing on someone once he or she has died. The reality is that, at the point of death, one’s eternal destiny is confirmed. Either he is saved through faith in Christ and is in heaven where he is experiencing rest and joy in God’s presence, or he is in torment in hell. The story of the rich man and Lazarus the beggar provides us with a vivid illustration of this truth. Jesus plainly used this story to teach that after death the unrighteous are eternally separated from God, that they remember their rejection of the gospel, that they are in torment, and that their condition cannot be remedied (Luke 16:19-31).</p>
<p>Often, people who have lost a loved one are encouraged to pray for those who have passed away and for their families. Of course, we should pray for those grieving, but for the dead, no. No one should ever believe that someone may be able to pray for him, thereby effecting some kind of favorable outcome, after he has died. The Bible teaches that the eternal state of mankind is determined by our actions during our lives on earth. “The soul who sins is the one who will die. . . . The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him” (Ezekiel 18:20).</p>
<p>The writer to the Hebrews tells us, “Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment” (Hebrews 9:27). Here we understand that no change in one’s spiritual condition can be made following his death—either by himself or through the efforts of others. If it is useless to pray for the living, who are committing “a sin that leads to death” (1 John 5:16), i.e., continual sin without seeking God’s forgiveness, how could prayer for those who are already dead benefit them, since there is no post-mortem plan of salvation?</p>
<p>The point is that each of us has but one life, and we are responsible for how we live that life. Others may influence our choices, but ultimately we must give an account for the choices we make. Once life is over, there are no more choices to be made; we have no choice but to face judgment. The prayers of others may express their desires, but they won’t change the outcome. The time to pray for a person is while he or she lives and there is still the possibility of his or her heart, attitudes, and behavior being changed (Romans 2:3-9).</p>
<p>It is natural to have a desire to pray in times of pain, suffering, and loss of loved ones and friends, but we know the boundaries of valid prayer as revealed in the Bible. The Bible is the only official prayer manual, and it teaches that prayers for the dead are futile. Yet we find the practice of praying for the dead observed in certain areas of “Christendom.” Roman Catholic theology, for example, allows for prayers both to the dead and on behalf of them. But even Catholic authorities admit that there is no explicit authorization for prayers on behalf of the dead in the sixty-six books of canonical Scripture. Instead, they appeal to the Apocrypha (2 Maccabees 12:46), church tradition, the decree of the Council of Trent, etc., to defend the practice.</p>
<p>The Bible teaches that those who have yielded to the Savior’s will (Hebrews 5:8-9) enter directly and immediately into the presence of the Lord after death (Luke 23:43; Philippians 1:23; 2 Corinthians 5:6, 8). What need, then, do they have for the prayers of people on the earth? While we sympathize with those who have lost dear ones, we must bear in mind that “now is the time of God’s favor, now is the day of salvation” (2 Corinthians 6:2). While the context refers to the gospel age as a whole, the verse is fitting for any individual who is unprepared to face the inevitable—death and the judgment that follows (Romans 5:12; 1 Corinthians 15:26; Hebrews 9:27). Death is final, and after that, no amount of praying will avail a person of the salvation he has rejected in life.</p>
<p> <a href="http://www.gotquestions.org/praying-for-the-dead.html#ixzz3dF19BMrv" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.gotquestions.org/praying-for-the-dead.html#ixzz3dF19BMrv</a></p>
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		By: Rod Redford		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/why-are-we-not-encouraged-to-pray-for-those-in-the-spirit-world/#comment-34076</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rod Redford]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2015 15:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I include those who have passed on in my prayers. Especially when seeking help in finding them or their family when doing genealogy. I pray that I will be inspired to find out more about them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I include those who have passed on in my prayers. Especially when seeking help in finding them or their family when doing genealogy. I pray that I will be inspired to find out more about them.</p>
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		By: Dev		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/why-are-we-not-encouraged-to-pray-for-those-in-the-spirit-world/#comment-34075</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dev]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2015 15:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One time when I was in the temple, someone told me that they had overheard the prophet say he feels like the ordinance work done for the dead  has about a 90% success rate. Also, people have a perfect sense of clarity when they die. This life is more like a foggy dream state and the next is different. While those who have gone astray and die go to spirit prison, but since the lord has sent missionaries to them it can&#039;t be all bad? The person your concerned for May have already repented and could be anxiously awaiting their work to be done. I recommend asking the Lord about them and see how you feel. y awaiting their work to be done. I recommend asking the Lord about them and see how you feel. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One time when I was in the temple, someone told me that they had overheard the prophet say he feels like the ordinance work done for the dead  has about a 90% success rate. Also, people have a perfect sense of clarity when they die. This life is more like a foggy dream state and the next is different. While those who have gone astray and die go to spirit prison, but since the lord has sent missionaries to them it can&#8217;t be all bad? The person your concerned for May have already repented and could be anxiously awaiting their work to be done. I recommend asking the Lord about them and see how you feel. y awaiting their work to be done. I recommend asking the Lord about them and see how you feel. </p>
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