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		By: Franklin Reid		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Franklin Reid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Oct 2017 23:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/why-cant-we-find-any-evidences-at-hill-cumorah/#comment-34282&quot;&gt;IdaRusskie&lt;/a&gt;.

According to Wikipedia there are 30 places in the U.S. called Hopewell. You are probably referring to the one in Ohio where the National Museum is located.
The Hopewell Culture was from about 200 BC to AD 500, the Ohio River Valley was a central area of the prehistoric Hopewell culture. The term Hopewell (taken from an the land owner who owned the land where one of the mound complexes was located) culture is applied to a broad network of beliefs and practices among different Native American peoples who inhabited a large portion of eastern North America.
There is no evidence that they were the only mound builders. Many historians believe that anciently when a people wanted to live in an area where there were many bones of former people they would gather them all into a pile and cover it with a layer of dirt. No religious significance whatever. But since federal laws prevent any digging into them we don&#039;t really know. Certainly, the few that have been investigated seemed religious but my have only been a necropolis.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/why-cant-we-find-any-evidences-at-hill-cumorah/#comment-34282">IdaRusskie</a>.</p>
<p>According to Wikipedia there are 30 places in the U.S. called Hopewell. You are probably referring to the one in Ohio where the National Museum is located.<br />
The Hopewell Culture was from about 200 BC to AD 500, the Ohio River Valley was a central area of the prehistoric Hopewell culture. The term Hopewell (taken from an the land owner who owned the land where one of the mound complexes was located) culture is applied to a broad network of beliefs and practices among different Native American peoples who inhabited a large portion of eastern North America.<br />
There is no evidence that they were the only mound builders. Many historians believe that anciently when a people wanted to live in an area where there were many bones of former people they would gather them all into a pile and cover it with a layer of dirt. No religious significance whatever. But since federal laws prevent any digging into them we don&#8217;t really know. Certainly, the few that have been investigated seemed religious but my have only been a necropolis.</p>
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		By: Franklin Reid		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Franklin Reid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Oct 2017 23:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Excellent answer. But also, we have noted that all over the world historical ruins and artifacts are buried under a layer of soil. Any evidence today could easily be 10 to 20 feet underground.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent answer. But also, we have noted that all over the world historical ruins and artifacts are buried under a layer of soil. Any evidence today could easily be 10 to 20 feet underground.</p>
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		By: Mark Reardon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Reardon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Aug 2017 10:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/why-cant-we-find-any-evidences-at-hill-cumorah/#comment-35523&quot;&gt;Randy Claywell&lt;/a&gt;.

I am an active member of the Church, have been for over 40 years, I could not care less whether anyone has ever found a spear or arrowhead. There are hundreds of artifacts in the Smithsonian Institute. I am not planning on booking my flight from Australia in the foreseeable future to check them out. You see when I joined the Church there was no DNA like there is today. Its good to know that the diligently sought after 5 Hebrew markers DNA has been recently found amongst the Hopewell and Adeena indian remains which encompass at least a dozen Indian tribes in the area from the Great Lakes and into the Ohio and Mississippi. But guess what I dont care and this information does not add or take away from my strong established testimony of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I know that the Book of Mormon is true. When Issac blessed his sons, the greatest Blessings were on the head of his son Joseph. Far greater promises than given to his progenitors Can anyone seriously believe that the Lord would be silent and not command that a book be written containing the fulfillment of those promises. Amother separate  book containing records of the Lords dealings with his other sheep that he said he must visit as was referred to  in the Gospel of John.  And as yet we are still to receive the records of the Lost tribes of Israel. The Lord knows where they are and from where he will gather then during the last days. The Mormon people love the Lord , strive to keep his commandments, and serve him by serving all their fellowmen, whether church members or not. All those years ago, I prayed and asked the Lord to direct me to a regularly constituted Church, if one then existed that had the organization and had been given divine priesthood authority to preach and administer the Gospel of Jesus Christ in its purity. I was led to the Mormon missionary program simply by doing as James Ch1 verse 5 and also Moroni in the BOM Ch 10 v 40 directs. If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God.... In those days we had the evidence given through the holy Spirit in answer to sincere prayer, that was all good faithful people needed. What better way to know the truth of the Book of Mormon than from the promises God had made us.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/why-cant-we-find-any-evidences-at-hill-cumorah/#comment-35523">Randy Claywell</a>.</p>
<p>I am an active member of the Church, have been for over 40 years, I could not care less whether anyone has ever found a spear or arrowhead. There are hundreds of artifacts in the Smithsonian Institute. I am not planning on booking my flight from Australia in the foreseeable future to check them out. You see when I joined the Church there was no DNA like there is today. Its good to know that the diligently sought after 5 Hebrew markers DNA has been recently found amongst the Hopewell and Adeena indian remains which encompass at least a dozen Indian tribes in the area from the Great Lakes and into the Ohio and Mississippi. But guess what I dont care and this information does not add or take away from my strong established testimony of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I know that the Book of Mormon is true. When Issac blessed his sons, the greatest Blessings were on the head of his son Joseph. Far greater promises than given to his progenitors Can anyone seriously believe that the Lord would be silent and not command that a book be written containing the fulfillment of those promises. Amother separate  book containing records of the Lords dealings with his other sheep that he said he must visit as was referred to  in the Gospel of John.  And as yet we are still to receive the records of the Lost tribes of Israel. The Lord knows where they are and from where he will gather then during the last days. The Mormon people love the Lord , strive to keep his commandments, and serve him by serving all their fellowmen, whether church members or not. All those years ago, I prayed and asked the Lord to direct me to a regularly constituted Church, if one then existed that had the organization and had been given divine priesthood authority to preach and administer the Gospel of Jesus Christ in its purity. I was led to the Mormon missionary program simply by doing as James Ch1 verse 5 and also Moroni in the BOM Ch 10 v 40 directs. If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God&#8230;. In those days we had the evidence given through the holy Spirit in answer to sincere prayer, that was all good faithful people needed. What better way to know the truth of the Book of Mormon than from the promises God had made us.</p>
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		By: Randy Claywell		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Randy Claywell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2017 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/why-cant-we-find-any-evidences-at-hill-cumorah/#comment-35180&quot;&gt;J M&lt;/a&gt;.

Cahokia, the many great cities of the Hopewell and the Andena. There are nebulous coincidences betwee the Maya and the Nephites.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/why-cant-we-find-any-evidences-at-hill-cumorah/#comment-35180">J M</a>.</p>
<p>Cahokia, the many great cities of the Hopewell and the Andena. There are nebulous coincidences betwee the Maya and the Nephites.</p>
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		By: Randy Claywell		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/why-cant-we-find-any-evidences-at-hill-cumorah/#comment-35523</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Randy Claywell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2017 16:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/why-cant-we-find-any-evidences-at-hill-cumorah/#comment-33677&quot;&gt;James M&lt;/a&gt;.

By your own judgement the lack of reference to snow means that the Book of Mormon could not have taken place in North America.
Let&#039;s apply your theory to mesoamerica.
 1) There are no mentions of massive, dense rain forests ergo by your definition the Book of Mormon couldn&#039;t have occured in mesoamerica.
2) There is no mention in the Book of Mormon about erecting buildings using stone. The only mention of building with stone is a reference to building walls. By your premise the lands of the Book of Mormon cannot have been in mesoamerica.
These are only two instances where using your own judgement that the Book of Mormon absolutely could not have occured in mesoamerica.
Where in the Book of Mormon are thee descriptions of cities that correspont to the Mesoamerican cities?  Remember that when Nephi gave a list of building materials stone was not on the list.
A river whose name translates into &quot;Mormon&quot;. This is a translation generaly accepted by non-LDS scholars?
A legend of a &quot;Great White God&quot; are interesting but not proof.
Some metal plates with writings on them would be conclusive only if the Nephites were the only civilisation to have written on metal plates. The has been only one instance where metal plates with writings absolutely connected to the Nephites; that is the gold plates dug up by Joseph Smith from the hill Cumorah in New York state which is in North America.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/why-cant-we-find-any-evidences-at-hill-cumorah/#comment-33677">James M</a>.</p>
<p>By your own judgement the lack of reference to snow means that the Book of Mormon could not have taken place in North America.<br />
Let&#8217;s apply your theory to mesoamerica.<br />
 1) There are no mentions of massive, dense rain forests ergo by your definition the Book of Mormon couldn&#8217;t have occured in mesoamerica.<br />
2) There is no mention in the Book of Mormon about erecting buildings using stone. The only mention of building with stone is a reference to building walls. By your premise the lands of the Book of Mormon cannot have been in mesoamerica.<br />
These are only two instances where using your own judgement that the Book of Mormon absolutely could not have occured in mesoamerica.<br />
Where in the Book of Mormon are thee descriptions of cities that correspont to the Mesoamerican cities?  Remember that when Nephi gave a list of building materials stone was not on the list.<br />
A river whose name translates into &#8220;Mormon&#8221;. This is a translation generaly accepted by non-LDS scholars?<br />
A legend of a &#8220;Great White God&#8221; are interesting but not proof.<br />
Some metal plates with writings on them would be conclusive only if the Nephites were the only civilisation to have written on metal plates. The has been only one instance where metal plates with writings absolutely connected to the Nephites; that is the gold plates dug up by Joseph Smith from the hill Cumorah in New York state which is in North America.</p>
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		By: J M		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2016 23:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/why-cant-we-find-any-evidences-at-hill-cumorah/#comment-34403&quot;&gt;Paul&lt;/a&gt;.

Then where&#039;s all the evidence of these great cities bigger than Rome? No records no nothing, just all disappeared? Impossible. There would definitely be some record of mass battles, cities and people. Where&#039;s all the Chariots. There&#039;s plenty of evidence found for the Bible and Myan civilization,  but not anything from BofM, not even a name. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/why-cant-we-find-any-evidences-at-hill-cumorah/#comment-34403">Paul</a>.</p>
<p>Then where&#8217;s all the evidence of these great cities bigger than Rome? No records no nothing, just all disappeared? Impossible. There would definitely be some record of mass battles, cities and people. Where&#8217;s all the Chariots. There&#8217;s plenty of evidence found for the Bible and Myan civilization,  but not anything from BofM, not even a name. </p>
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		By: Adam p		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adam p]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2016 22:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/why-cant-we-find-any-evidences-at-hill-cumorah/#comment-34403&quot;&gt;Paul&lt;/a&gt;.

I too believe this to be true. If you think about how many died and looked at how many cities or lands there were, it would have been very difficult to cram so many cities in a small space. So this (could) mean that North America is the land northward and that South America is the land southward. Again, think about how great these civilizations were. It&#039;s impossible for them to not have traveled further throughout the rest of the two large masses of the continent, and yet in such great numbers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/why-cant-we-find-any-evidences-at-hill-cumorah/#comment-34403">Paul</a>.</p>
<p>I too believe this to be true. If you think about how many died and looked at how many cities or lands there were, it would have been very difficult to cram so many cities in a small space. So this (could) mean that North America is the land northward and that South America is the land southward. Again, think about how great these civilizations were. It&#8217;s impossible for them to not have traveled further throughout the rest of the two large masses of the continent, and yet in such great numbers.</p>
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		By: Paul		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2015 17:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/why-cant-we-find-any-evidences-at-hill-cumorah/#comment-34282&quot;&gt;IdaRusskie&lt;/a&gt;.

I just returned from visiting Hopewell mounds and the Hill Cumorah. It is amazing how much the typical 

American doesn&#039;t know about the history of this continent. I love and know the Book of Mormon is true for the Spirit. However, the physical proof of the Book of Mormon is incredible. Ancient civilizations once inhabited North   America, and this fact was common knowledge 200 years ago. The  biggest architecture George Washington ever saw was an earthen structure built  by ancient 
Americans. Thomas Jefferson was aware of great structures in the Ohio Valley  and even bigger ones in the center of the continent. Farmers and settlers,  particularly in the Ohio and Mississippi Valleys  and 
eastward into New York and West Virginia and southward to Tennessee, frequently came upon ancient  mounds and structures on the lands they were settling. The plow and the shovel  regularly dug up artifacts which most often were discarded or became part of a  wall, fence, or other 
structure.  The  mounds and structures were torn down and used for landfill and construction as  white settlers expanded into the continent.

Most Americans have no idea that ancient cities with  advanced architectures once dotted the ancient North American landscape. It is  estimated that there once existed over 200,000 cities, structures and 
mounds  across the continent. Monk&#039;s Mound in the ancient site of Cahokia, across from St. Louis, has a footprint bigger than the Great Pyramid  of Giza in Egypt, and  Cahokia’s population was estimated to be greater than that of London  or Rome.
    
Some sites still existing, like the Newark Earthworks in Ohio, reveal a culture  that was very sophisticated in its knowledge of mathematics and astronomy. I read]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/why-cant-we-find-any-evidences-at-hill-cumorah/#comment-34282">IdaRusskie</a>.</p>
<p>I just returned from visiting Hopewell mounds and the Hill Cumorah. It is amazing how much the typical </p>
<p>American doesn&#8217;t know about the history of this continent. I love and know the Book of Mormon is true for the Spirit. However, the physical proof of the Book of Mormon is incredible. Ancient civilizations once inhabited North   America, and this fact was common knowledge 200 years ago. The  biggest architecture George Washington ever saw was an earthen structure built  by ancient<br />
Americans. Thomas Jefferson was aware of great structures in the Ohio Valley  and even bigger ones in the center of the continent. Farmers and settlers,  particularly in the Ohio and Mississippi Valleys  and<br />
eastward into New York and West Virginia and southward to Tennessee, frequently came upon ancient  mounds and structures on the lands they were settling. The plow and the shovel  regularly dug up artifacts which most often were discarded or became part of a  wall, fence, or other<br />
structure.  The  mounds and structures were torn down and used for landfill and construction as  white settlers expanded into the continent.</p>
<p>Most Americans have no idea that ancient cities with  advanced architectures once dotted the ancient North American landscape. It is  estimated that there once existed over 200,000 cities, structures and<br />
mounds  across the continent. Monk&#8217;s Mound in the ancient site of Cahokia, across from St. Louis, has a footprint bigger than the Great Pyramid  of Giza in Egypt, and  Cahokia’s population was estimated to be greater than that of London  or Rome.</p>
<p>Some sites still existing, like the Newark Earthworks in Ohio, reveal a culture  that was very sophisticated in its knowledge of mathematics and astronomy. I read</p>
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		By: IdaRusskie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[IdaRusskie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2015 13:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s not true. There is the Hopewell civilization. Another wise known as the mound builders. These people had steel and copper. Most of it mined in the Great Lakes. Skeletons laid on top of the ground go way after awhile.look at the 60 million buffalo that are not ther anymore.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s not true. There is the Hopewell civilization. Another wise known as the mound builders. These people had steel and copper. Most of it mined in the Great Lakes. Skeletons laid on top of the ground go way after awhile.look at the 60 million buffalo that are not ther anymore.</p>
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		By: James M		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2014 17:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Gordon,

They have not found any evidence of battles/civilization in that area because there is none. Despite what many in the Church mistakenly believe, there were no civilizations, cities or battles that took place in the New York area of North America.

The prophets are men, and as men they hold the same weakness as we all do. God never made any revelation that the hill in NY was in fact the hill from the BOM... none. You would think that if he had, there would have possibly been a reference to this in the D&#038;C? 

If Prophets really believe it was in NY, why would the official film released by the Church &quot;Testaments of One Fold and One Shepherd&quot; obviously be set in a tropical region and reflect the ruins located in South America?

There are some very simply things that point to Central-America area and not the NY area...

In the New York Area...

1. There is no reference of snow in the BOM. During the American Revolution, Washington&#039;s armies were nearly crippled by the harsh winters that would have surely effected the outcome of BOM battles, especially if the Lamanites were merely draped with &quot;skins&quot; and often referred to as being naked. There are also no references to the wildlife that live in the area (Bears and other such creatures).

2. Finding arrowheads is not evidence of anything other than proof that the Native Americans lived in the land. Where are the swords, shields and breastplates that must have surely been scattered all over the area?

3. Where are the massive cities? There are none... there is nothing that even remotely reflects the civilization described in the BOM (in Central America, there is).

&quot;Gramps&quot; seems to think that if you were to dig around that area you would find proof... well, guess what? They HAVE dug around that area, much of the land has been developed without locating a single artifact that suggests the two civilizations live there. 

There simply is to much overwhelming proof that the lands of North America did not house these civilizations...

Meanwhile, in Central America you have....

Sunken cities the ocean (3rd Nephi reference)

Buried cities (Another 3rd Nephi reference)

Appropriate geography (read the description of the location of the oceans and landmasses in the BOM)

Evidence of rising and falling civilizations that match the timeframe in the BOM (Research the Olmecs, who were possibly the Jaredites)

There are legends of a &quot;Great White God&quot; who came and walked among the people.

There is even a river which (when translated) is called &quot;The river Mormon.&quot;

Records kept on metal plates/tablets)

Cities and ruins that reflect the sizes that are referenced in the BOM.

Here are some links  to a video called &quot;In search of Ancient Cumorah.&quot;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34QvifyYTzg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjZ1im8swPw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MySwdGce-F8

I equate those who believe that the BOM took place in NY to those who believe the earth is 6000 years old... Well, they&#039;re wrong. Plain and simple, and people insisting on believing what is honestly a misinterpretation as fact actually damages the credibility of the Church in modern times.&quot;]]></description>
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<p>They have not found any evidence of battles/civilization in that area because there is none. Despite what many in the Church mistakenly believe, there were no civilizations, cities or battles that took place in the New York area of North America.</p>
<p>The prophets are men, and as men they hold the same weakness as we all do. God never made any revelation that the hill in NY was in fact the hill from the BOM&#8230; none. You would think that if he had, there would have possibly been a reference to this in the D&amp;C? </p>
<p>If Prophets really believe it was in NY, why would the official film released by the Church &#8220;Testaments of One Fold and One Shepherd&#8221; obviously be set in a tropical region and reflect the ruins located in South America?</p>
<p>There are some very simply things that point to Central-America area and not the NY area&#8230;</p>
<p>In the New York Area&#8230;</p>
<p>1. There is no reference of snow in the BOM. During the American Revolution, Washington&#8217;s armies were nearly crippled by the harsh winters that would have surely effected the outcome of BOM battles, especially if the Lamanites were merely draped with &#8220;skins&#8221; and often referred to as being naked. There are also no references to the wildlife that live in the area (Bears and other such creatures).</p>
<p>2. Finding arrowheads is not evidence of anything other than proof that the Native Americans lived in the land. Where are the swords, shields and breastplates that must have surely been scattered all over the area?</p>
<p>3. Where are the massive cities? There are none&#8230; there is nothing that even remotely reflects the civilization described in the BOM (in Central America, there is).</p>
<p>&#8220;Gramps&#8221; seems to think that if you were to dig around that area you would find proof&#8230; well, guess what? They HAVE dug around that area, much of the land has been developed without locating a single artifact that suggests the two civilizations live there. </p>
<p>There simply is to much overwhelming proof that the lands of North America did not house these civilizations&#8230;</p>
<p>Meanwhile, in Central America you have&#8230;.</p>
<p>Sunken cities the ocean (3rd Nephi reference)</p>
<p>Buried cities (Another 3rd Nephi reference)</p>
<p>Appropriate geography (read the description of the location of the oceans and landmasses in the BOM)</p>
<p>Evidence of rising and falling civilizations that match the timeframe in the BOM (Research the Olmecs, who were possibly the Jaredites)</p>
<p>There are legends of a &#8220;Great White God&#8221; who came and walked among the people.</p>
<p>There is even a river which (when translated) is called &#8220;The river Mormon.&#8221;</p>
<p>Records kept on metal plates/tablets)</p>
<p>Cities and ruins that reflect the sizes that are referenced in the BOM.</p>
<p>Here are some links  to a video called &#8220;In search of Ancient Cumorah.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34QvifyYTzg" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34QvifyYTzg</a></p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjZ1im8swPw" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjZ1im8swPw</a></p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MySwdGce-F8" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MySwdGce-F8</a></p>
<p>I equate those who believe that the BOM took place in NY to those who believe the earth is 6000 years old&#8230; Well, they&#8217;re wrong. Plain and simple, and people insisting on believing what is honestly a misinterpretation as fact actually damages the credibility of the Church in modern times.&#8221;</p>
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