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		By: Brian		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2014 04:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A few quotes from the LDS Temples class I took through BYU Independent Study:

The Lord “has had His endowments long ago,” Elder Wilford Woodruff testified; “it is thousands and millions of years since He received His blessings.” 1 (This infers that he received them in the pre-existence.)

The nature and extent of these ancient ordinances and exactly where in the temple buildings they were performed has been the subject of much fruitless speculation. The Old Testament describes in detail the
sacrifices and other performances associated with the lesser priesthood and the Mosaic Law, but says nothing about any higher ordinances. “Because such ordinances are sacred and not for the world,” Elder Joseph Fielding Smith explained, no detailed account of them has been made available. “There are, however, in the Old Testament references to covenants and obligations under which the members of the Church in those days were placed, although the meaning is generally obscure.” 2

Interestingly, the temple ordinances received during the New Testament period were not given at Herod’s Temple. Elder Joseph Fielding Smith believed that Peter, James, and John received their endowment on the Mount of Transfiguration. 3 

President Heber C. Kimball likewise stated that the early Apostles received these blessings at the hands of the Savior himself. 4

The New Testament confirms that some sacred truths taught to the faithful disciples were not appropriate for the world to have. Jesus specifically charged the three Apostles to speak to no one concerning what had
transpired on the mount (Matthew 17:9).

1 Wilford Woodruff, in Journal of Discourses (London: Latter-day Saints’ Book Depot, 1854–86), 4:192.

2 Joseph Fielding Smith, “Was Temple Work Done in the Days of the Old Prophets?” Improvement Era, November 1955, 794.

3 Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, comp. Bruce R. McConkie, 2:165.

4 Heber C. Kimball, in Journal of Discourses, 10:241.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few quotes from the LDS Temples class I took through BYU Independent Study:</p>
<p>The Lord “has had His endowments long ago,” Elder Wilford Woodruff testified; “it is thousands and millions of years since He received His blessings.” 1 (This infers that he received them in the pre-existence.)</p>
<p>The nature and extent of these ancient ordinances and exactly where in the temple buildings they were performed has been the subject of much fruitless speculation. The Old Testament describes in detail the<br />
sacrifices and other performances associated with the lesser priesthood and the Mosaic Law, but says nothing about any higher ordinances. “Because such ordinances are sacred and not for the world,” Elder Joseph Fielding Smith explained, no detailed account of them has been made available. “There are, however, in the Old Testament references to covenants and obligations under which the members of the Church in those days were placed, although the meaning is generally obscure.” 2</p>
<p>Interestingly, the temple ordinances received during the New Testament period were not given at Herod’s Temple. Elder Joseph Fielding Smith believed that Peter, James, and John received their endowment on the Mount of Transfiguration. 3 </p>
<p>President Heber C. Kimball likewise stated that the early Apostles received these blessings at the hands of the Savior himself. 4</p>
<p>The New Testament confirms that some sacred truths taught to the faithful disciples were not appropriate for the world to have. Jesus specifically charged the three Apostles to speak to no one concerning what had<br />
transpired on the mount (Matthew 17:9).</p>
<p>1 Wilford Woodruff, in Journal of Discourses (London: Latter-day Saints’ Book Depot, 1854–86), 4:192.</p>
<p>2 Joseph Fielding Smith, “Was Temple Work Done in the Days of the Old Prophets?” Improvement Era, November 1955, 794.</p>
<p>3 Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, comp. Bruce R. McConkie, 2:165.</p>
<p>4 Heber C. Kimball, in Journal of Discourses, 10:241.</p>
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		By: Brian		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/jesus-receive-temple-ordinances/#comment-33326</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2014 04:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/jesus-receive-temple-ordinances/#comment-33321&quot;&gt;Paige&lt;/a&gt;.

It&#039;s important to remember that remission of sins isn&#039;t the only reason we get baptized. Baptism is also a requirement to enter the path that leads to eternal life. &quot;Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.&quot; Jesus is not exempt from the requirements of the Gospel. So while He didn&#039;t need baptism for forgiveness, He did need it to fulfill all righteousness.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/jesus-receive-temple-ordinances/#comment-33321">Paige</a>.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s important to remember that remission of sins isn&#8217;t the only reason we get baptized. Baptism is also a requirement to enter the path that leads to eternal life. &#8220;Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.&#8221; Jesus is not exempt from the requirements of the Gospel. So while He didn&#8217;t need baptism for forgiveness, He did need it to fulfill all righteousness.</p>
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		By: Paige		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/jesus-receive-temple-ordinances/#comment-33321</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2014 15:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/jesus-receive-temple-ordinances/#comment-33262&quot;&gt;Alan Swenson&lt;/a&gt;.

I would argue that, like baptism, Jesus didn&#039;t need to participate in the &quot;saving&quot; ordinances because, well, He didn&#039;t need to be saved. Or, if He did, it could have been among some of the &quot;plain and precious truths&quot; to be removed or omitted from the Bible. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/jesus-receive-temple-ordinances/#comment-33262">Alan Swenson</a>.</p>
<p>I would argue that, like baptism, Jesus didn&#8217;t need to participate in the &#8220;saving&#8221; ordinances because, well, He didn&#8217;t need to be saved. Or, if He did, it could have been among some of the &#8220;plain and precious truths&#8221; to be removed or omitted from the Bible. </p>
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		By: Lee		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/jesus-receive-temple-ordinances/#comment-33285</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2014 22:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is where our faith comes into play. If we were to have all knowledge of everything, what would be the need for faith. There are those who have left this church simply because they could not get all of the answers. They felt that not being to know everything meant that the church could not be true.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is where our faith comes into play. If we were to have all knowledge of everything, what would be the need for faith. There are those who have left this church simply because they could not get all of the answers. They felt that not being to know everything meant that the church could not be true.</p>
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		By: Alan Swenson		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2014 12:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Joseph Smith taught: “If a man gets a fulness of the priesthood of God, he has to get it in the same way that Jesus Christ obtained it, and that was by keeping all the commandments and obeying all the ordinances of the house of the Lord.&quot; (https://www.lds.org/manual/teachings-joseph-smith/chapter-36?lang=eng)

As Gramps stated, &quot;there is no record of this occurring&quot;, however I believe it is clear from Joseph Smith and others that Jesus must have received ALL of the ordinances of the temple, even if the Biblical account is silent as to when, how, and by whom.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joseph Smith taught: “If a man gets a fulness of the priesthood of God, he has to get it in the same way that Jesus Christ obtained it, and that was by keeping all the commandments and obeying all the ordinances of the house of the Lord.&#8221; (<a href="https://www.lds.org/manual/teachings-joseph-smith/chapter-36?lang=eng" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.lds.org/manual/teachings-joseph-smith/chapter-36?lang=eng</a>)</p>
<p>As Gramps stated, &#8220;there is no record of this occurring&#8221;, however I believe it is clear from Joseph Smith and others that Jesus must have received ALL of the ordinances of the temple, even if the Biblical account is silent as to when, how, and by whom.</p>
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		By: creative_dude		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/jesus-receive-temple-ordinances/#comment-33260</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2014 02:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.&quot;  We do not need to know every jot and tittle.  We merely need to know that every jot and tittle has been fulfilled.  There are things I have been taught that I understand.  Things I have been taught that I think I understand.  There are things which have been taught that I do not understand.  If they come form the Prophet speaking to the Church I am content.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.&#8221;  We do not need to know every jot and tittle.  We merely need to know that every jot and tittle has been fulfilled.  There are things I have been taught that I understand.  Things I have been taught that I think I understand.  There are things which have been taught that I do not understand.  If they come form the Prophet speaking to the Church I am content.</p>
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		By: jp		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2014 02:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think it was Elder McConkie that said that he THOUGHT that Peter, James and John received their endowments during the Mt. Of Transfiguration. If this is true then certainly the Savior himself would&#039;ve been endowed. But again, still speculation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it was Elder McConkie that said that he THOUGHT that Peter, James and John received their endowments during the Mt. Of Transfiguration. If this is true then certainly the Savior himself would&#8217;ve been endowed. But again, still speculation.</p>
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