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					<description><![CDATA[As a govt specialist who has been in the WOT for many years and am now retired, I can tell you unequivocally that the muslim threat is very real and not one American in 1,000 really has a clue what it is exactly and how they work. It&#039;s gone on for almost 14 centuries and today 99.9999999% of all Americans run away and hide and urinate on themselves before ever facing the facts. Facts are ugly things. But they remain facts. Facts don&#039;t care about your tender, little childish feelings. If you make a mistake with the wrong person or people, it will cause mass carnage of innocent people. Tens or hundreds of thousands potentially and in the case of WMD&#039;s it can be millions. Would you like that on your conscience? Some times even a microcosm of knowledge may help. 

If you&#039;ve ever conducted in depth research of islam there are hundreds of ugly facts you discover. In case you think I have an axe to grind with the muslims I don&#039;t. My job is to conduct extensive, complex research to determine the truth. I have thousands of hours involved in researching this specific area. If you&#039;d like to challenge my facts, good luck. I can testify as an expert in this area and have been a project manager for anti terrorism operations for uncle sam.

Here are a few things you may consider in your search for the truth, if that even matters to some of you: 

* Muhammed personally started the religion in Mecca and was unsuccessful for several years there. They had religious wrtiings there known as one form of the Quran and it preached about love and peace. Anytime they are the minority religion they preach love and peace. He had about 150 converts, mostly relatives. 

When he transformed from a peaceful religion to a warrior (jihad) religion it grew by very large numbers. He started by attacking caravans of rich Medinians and took their wealth and killed the caravan employees or allowed them to join him. Amazing how much loot and followers you can acquire in a short time using such methods. He eventually took over all of Arabia using these tactics. The second form of the quran was written during this time. It is a work involving war and slavery. These tactics have been used successfully by the musllms for thousands of years. It the same way they took over northern Africa, Spain and many areas of the rest of the world. The two qurans are known as dualism. It&#039;s one of the many ways they deceive the kafir (wicked, filthy non-muslims - you and me in other words). Muhammed personally murdered 100 people by his own hand. It&#039;s interesting that some very ignorant religious leaders today list him as one of the great religious leaders in history. It must be a low ethical bar for being considered a religious leader today.

Muslim troops would travel by the thousands and surround every village in their path and then tell them they have two choices. Convert or don&#039;t convert. If they don&#039;t covert, all other choices are made for them by their muslim masters. Usually the men are murdered and the women and children were taken captive and taken to world muslim slave markets. (Muslims have always been among the most prolific human traffickers in the history of the world and that is still true today. It&#039;s still part of sharia law today. Research it.) The women and girls were either used as sex slaves and kept or sold and the boys were sold or kept as slaves or neutered and sold or kept. 

In case you are completely ignorant of the coastal raids of the barbary pirates on Europe, UK and Iceland then you need to get your head out of some where. If you do more than 2 minutes of research you can confirm these facts. Hundreds of raids were conducted in the area of Europe and the nearby islands at coastal towns. One particularly well documented case was Baltiimore, Cork County, Ireland. In the 1800&#039;s, it was the victim of an early morning raid by muslim corsairs and those that fought were chopped to pieces and were greatly outnumbered. Once again, the town was taken. The women and girls were raped and sold at world sex markets and some were kept for the same fate. The boys were usually sold as slaves or kept as slaves. One person eventually escaped many years later and was the only person heard from again.One of the world&#039;s largest slave markets was a muslim market in Crimea in the 1800&#039;s. It is recorded in books in case you think I&#039;m making this up. It&#039;s what is known as white slave trafficking. Over a million caucasians were taken and sold as slaves. Many thousands were murdered.

The muslim corsairs used to run the whole Meditteranean  and west coast of Europe.  The USMC hymn speaks of the &quot;shores of Tripoli&quot;. We had to go teach them a lesson when they kept attacking US ships and taking US citizens hostage as slaves. We had to go to Tripoli to teach them a lesson. Look at what the founding fathers wrote about them and their hostage taking. There are many works by them in their own hand.

Most every non muslim independent researcher today states the muslims are responsible for the murder of at least 250 to 270 million people in their conquest for world domination. Tens of millions have been kidnapped, raped and enslaved/sold. Children have been raped and married at ages younger than 8 by the millions. It is still done today as part of sharia law. 

I could write a hundred pages on this subject just off the top of my head from my research. Suffice it to say there exists thousands of reasons to hold a high degree of suspicion of this so called religion. Of course, everybody should know of the slaughter of over one million innocent Armenians by the muslim Ottoman empire rulers in the early 1900&#039;s. Funny how even today not even the US or any nation on earth including the UN will so much as mention that it even happened. Yes, Otttoman rulers murdered that many people and not ONE damned word is mentioned anywhere on earth including the US government. Disgusting. Research it. 

Yes people, this is the biggest hoax in the history of the world and all of the 99% have fallen for it. Europeans and Americans. They all demand they be brought in from the middle east without bg checks of any kind. Apparently, that is not PC and makes people feel bad. It doesn&#039;t matter if they are ISIS or not. That&#039;s no big deal to millions of Americans. Yes, the sharia law people are being begged to come in, take over, institute sharia law, destroy and replace the US constitution for their &quot;holy&quot; ways. MIllions in the EU and America demand this. The US democrat party has made repeated attempts to make it illegal in the US to speak in a negative manner about islam. They obviously ran into first amendment problems with the new SCOTUS judge and can&#039;t get the majority needed to put this through. If this ever passes, it&#039;s the end of America as we know it. They will steam roll everything in their path.

If you never heard of the HLF trial several years ago you must live in a cave. Google it. Federal investigators looked into an organization with terrorist ties and come up with a box of worms. On a search warrant in Va., they recovered a document that showed how muslims including the muslim brotherhood have plans to take over the US. We are now in phase 4 of a 4 phase plan for your information. The MB (muslim brotherhood have people at our highest levels of govt since the Bush and Obama administrations). The MB is one of the major terrorist organizations in history according to most terrorism experts.

They will take us over by internal subversion, thousands of lawsuits, mass payoffs to political campaigns, common core doctrines, college campus muslim groups, hundreds of interrelated muslim legal, social and charity groups. You&#039;ll eventually have thousands of muslim groups operating in every neighborhood and area of society and it will choke out the American way of life. Every time Americans agree not to do something they have always done then they win once again in their battle of sharia law. The muslims feel &quot;offended&quot; on a dialy basis for one reason. It&#039;s the way to get the useful idiots to be dhimmmis (followers of islam by gutless people who do everything they are told by muslims so nothing offends them. Total bull.) Liberals love to let in millions of unchecked people regardless of the threat. Terrorism experts have stated many times they agree at least 15-20% of immigrants coming from the middle east are terrorists or are associated with terrorists.

Prince Alwaleed bin Talal of Saudi Arabia donated $32 Billion to muslim charities a couple of years ago and a sizeable portion of that will come to muslim causes in the US. The problem is, just like the &quot;Holy Land Foundation&quot; trial, the &quot;holy&quot; works aren&#039;t always very &quot;holy&quot;. 

This is only 0.001% of the information available on this subject. I didn&#039;t even mention the fact that sharia law muslims here today treat women as low level citizens. Women can be raped and then be put to death for adultery, women are treated as third class citizens and are to walk behind men in some countries, women and girls are to receive genital mutilation, women may be beaten by husbands, women must be covered head to toe with only slits to breath and see out of. This is a major health problem in hot climates. They also have &quot;honor killings&quot;. The murder of innocent women by muslim men who thing they dishonored the family. Strange how liberal feminists never state one word about this being wrong. 

Some more facts on whom you&#039;re facing. Muslim teachings indicate they are to be engaged in &quot;charity&quot;. One of the areas of charity is jihad. It isn&#039;t &quot;personal struggle&quot; as they claim. It&#039;s the struggle to be at war with the world until muslims rule the world and their leaders are in charge. They are to go to all countries to be part of hijrah (world nation repopulation and eventual overthrow of all nations). They think their rulers and their allah will be in charge. They believe that through violence they will hasten the end of the world so they can be in charge. That&#039;s why they do mass killings and murders. It&#039;s part of their teachings. It&#039;s not an extremist element. Ramadan is a time which you&#039;ll always see an increase in mass killings. It&#039;s a holy time. Part of the holy acts are to commit mass murder. It&#039;s all part of becoming a martyr and go to paradise. I&#039;ll show you what I mean. The next time they have a terrorist attack in the world, take news cameras and record an imam. Ask him to renounce violent jihad in all of it&#039;s forms. Ask him and his people with him if they renounce the practice of jihad or holy war against the kafir. It is IMPOSSIBLE for them to say yes. They endorse jihad regardless of what they say about how sorry they are this all happened and it&#039;s just a big misunderstanding about muslims. It&#039;s in their doctrine and muhammed showed the way by murdering 100 people himself. It&#039;s who they are and they will never change. The only change will be kafirs they convert. As soon as you realize this, the better off you&#039;ll be. The terrorist who blows himself and others up or shoots or runs over others is only a fraction of a shade different than your buddy muslim who&#039;s not doing that at the moment. They have the SAME belief system. Some agree to do jihad and others just help. How do all help with jihad? Very easy.Their donations required of them are used for charity. That includes the charity of jihad. It&#039;s a founding principle of charity. Therefore, every true participating muslim who pays charity money (zaykat) as required is also helping to fund jihad. Pretty? No. Fact? Yes. They have billions of dollars per year for terrorism and Saudi Arabia (sunni) and Iran (shia) are the biggest funders in history. 

I know not one in 50 mormons will agree with me and say I made it all up. I happen to be LDS. It&#039;s more important to me to know the facts than to walk around saying &quot;all is well&quot;. I want to know exactly what is going on and do something about it. I won&#039;t let my country be entered and taken over by blood thirsty, mass murdering terrorists in the name of PC. I think the lazy, weak, cowardly, unpatriotic mormons who have no spine or guts to fight for the truth are shameful and pathetic. If I&#039;m the only mormon who will stand up to keep us free then so be it. Obviously, I&#039;m the only one in the church whole isn&#039;t righteous for daring to know the truth.

For all of you holy rollers who have your heads up your arm pits you can go jump in a lake. When your kids and grand kids plead with you and ask why they are now living as slaves under sharia law and have no religious freedom you can tell them you were belly crawling, cowards and too PC to do anything about it. You were too afraid and lazy to study the facts. Somebody told you it&#039;s a great idea to have millions of people here as citizens who want to make you bow to their false god or kill or enslave you. What could possibly go wrong? You people who think this is a great idea are insane. I&#039;m not going to let my family be destroyed and I do have the guts to fight it. 

The self righteous can label me as an evil hater. Ya, that&#039;s it. When faced with thousands of facts that make you uncomfortable you declare it as false and hate even though it&#039;s all factual. No, I don&#039;t hate muslims or anybody else. I just do meticulous research for 38 years in this area. I can lecture on this area for a week with little or no notes. The last time I read the scriptures (oh ya, you holy rollers, I know you&#039;re so God Almighty righteous but even wicked heathens such as me read the scriptures. I&#039;ve only read them about 30 times but I&#039;m sure your 100% more holy and righteous than a fact finder like me, Do you pray to yourselves also? Just curious.)

Oh, ya. Only mentioned a very few things in this rant. I assume since some of you are so all knowing that you would of course know that the mufti (muslim ruler) of Jerusalem in WWII was a close personal friend of Adolph Hitler. And of course you know he visited Hitler on extended visits to Germany. You know he provided Hitler with the design and plans for the &quot;final Solution&quot;. Of course you know this is the design for the Nazi death camps for Jews, homosexuals, undesirables, enemies of the state and all others. BTW, I&#039;m sure you also know next on the list for extermination was Mormons. Just saying. The mufti also had over 10,000 troops that were SS. That is the worst of the worst. Now I&#039;m not saying any of the people I&#039;ve mentioned are bad people. Oh, hell no. That would be just terrible to judge anybody. Right? That&#039;s all I hear from the pulpit anymore. No judging. No judging. No judging. No judging. We&#039;ll I don&#039;t live in a bubble like politicians and church leaders with protection 24/7. I constantly judge if people or situations are safe. Real people have to judge every day. We also have to very carefully examine every person attempting to enter our country for any reason. We also need to stop immigration for 20 years. It&#039;s been done before and we have tens of millions of Americans who are out of jobs. Jesus never said you had to drag people 10,000 miles around the world to help them. Send them aid and make the UN protect the refugee camps until they can return home. It&#039;s been done for a century and has worked. To heck with letting anybody in here. Give the fleeing Christians special camps with protection by Christian troops. 

One who makes my fellow mormons very upset because I have guts to speak the truth,

Sincerely,
 The Fact Finder    #howdareyouspeakthetruth , #whogaveyoupermissiontospeakup , #hasyourstatementreceivedofficialapproval , #idoubtit , #terroristnationimmigrationissuicide , #somepeoplearetoostupidtolive]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a govt specialist who has been in the WOT for many years and am now retired, I can tell you unequivocally that the muslim threat is very real and not one American in 1,000 really has a clue what it is exactly and how they work. It&#8217;s gone on for almost 14 centuries and today 99.9999999% of all Americans run away and hide and urinate on themselves before ever facing the facts. Facts are ugly things. But they remain facts. Facts don&#8217;t care about your tender, little childish feelings. If you make a mistake with the wrong person or people, it will cause mass carnage of innocent people. Tens or hundreds of thousands potentially and in the case of WMD&#8217;s it can be millions. Would you like that on your conscience? Some times even a microcosm of knowledge may help. </p>
<p>If you&#8217;ve ever conducted in depth research of islam there are hundreds of ugly facts you discover. In case you think I have an axe to grind with the muslims I don&#8217;t. My job is to conduct extensive, complex research to determine the truth. I have thousands of hours involved in researching this specific area. If you&#8217;d like to challenge my facts, good luck. I can testify as an expert in this area and have been a project manager for anti terrorism operations for uncle sam.</p>
<p>Here are a few things you may consider in your search for the truth, if that even matters to some of you: </p>
<p>* Muhammed personally started the religion in Mecca and was unsuccessful for several years there. They had religious wrtiings there known as one form of the Quran and it preached about love and peace. Anytime they are the minority religion they preach love and peace. He had about 150 converts, mostly relatives. </p>
<p>When he transformed from a peaceful religion to a warrior (jihad) religion it grew by very large numbers. He started by attacking caravans of rich Medinians and took their wealth and killed the caravan employees or allowed them to join him. Amazing how much loot and followers you can acquire in a short time using such methods. He eventually took over all of Arabia using these tactics. The second form of the quran was written during this time. It is a work involving war and slavery. These tactics have been used successfully by the musllms for thousands of years. It the same way they took over northern Africa, Spain and many areas of the rest of the world. The two qurans are known as dualism. It&#8217;s one of the many ways they deceive the kafir (wicked, filthy non-muslims &#8211; you and me in other words). Muhammed personally murdered 100 people by his own hand. It&#8217;s interesting that some very ignorant religious leaders today list him as one of the great religious leaders in history. It must be a low ethical bar for being considered a religious leader today.</p>
<p>Muslim troops would travel by the thousands and surround every village in their path and then tell them they have two choices. Convert or don&#8217;t convert. If they don&#8217;t covert, all other choices are made for them by their muslim masters. Usually the men are murdered and the women and children were taken captive and taken to world muslim slave markets. (Muslims have always been among the most prolific human traffickers in the history of the world and that is still true today. It&#8217;s still part of sharia law today. Research it.) The women and girls were either used as sex slaves and kept or sold and the boys were sold or kept as slaves or neutered and sold or kept. </p>
<p>In case you are completely ignorant of the coastal raids of the barbary pirates on Europe, UK and Iceland then you need to get your head out of some where. If you do more than 2 minutes of research you can confirm these facts. Hundreds of raids were conducted in the area of Europe and the nearby islands at coastal towns. One particularly well documented case was Baltiimore, Cork County, Ireland. In the 1800&#8217;s, it was the victim of an early morning raid by muslim corsairs and those that fought were chopped to pieces and were greatly outnumbered. Once again, the town was taken. The women and girls were raped and sold at world sex markets and some were kept for the same fate. The boys were usually sold as slaves or kept as slaves. One person eventually escaped many years later and was the only person heard from again.One of the world&#8217;s largest slave markets was a muslim market in Crimea in the 1800&#8217;s. It is recorded in books in case you think I&#8217;m making this up. It&#8217;s what is known as white slave trafficking. Over a million caucasians were taken and sold as slaves. Many thousands were murdered.</p>
<p>The muslim corsairs used to run the whole Meditteranean  and west coast of Europe.  The USMC hymn speaks of the &#8220;shores of Tripoli&#8221;. We had to go teach them a lesson when they kept attacking US ships and taking US citizens hostage as slaves. We had to go to Tripoli to teach them a lesson. Look at what the founding fathers wrote about them and their hostage taking. There are many works by them in their own hand.</p>
<p>Most every non muslim independent researcher today states the muslims are responsible for the murder of at least 250 to 270 million people in their conquest for world domination. Tens of millions have been kidnapped, raped and enslaved/sold. Children have been raped and married at ages younger than 8 by the millions. It is still done today as part of sharia law. </p>
<p>I could write a hundred pages on this subject just off the top of my head from my research. Suffice it to say there exists thousands of reasons to hold a high degree of suspicion of this so called religion. Of course, everybody should know of the slaughter of over one million innocent Armenians by the muslim Ottoman empire rulers in the early 1900&#8217;s. Funny how even today not even the US or any nation on earth including the UN will so much as mention that it even happened. Yes, Otttoman rulers murdered that many people and not ONE damned word is mentioned anywhere on earth including the US government. Disgusting. Research it. </p>
<p>Yes people, this is the biggest hoax in the history of the world and all of the 99% have fallen for it. Europeans and Americans. They all demand they be brought in from the middle east without bg checks of any kind. Apparently, that is not PC and makes people feel bad. It doesn&#8217;t matter if they are ISIS or not. That&#8217;s no big deal to millions of Americans. Yes, the sharia law people are being begged to come in, take over, institute sharia law, destroy and replace the US constitution for their &#8220;holy&#8221; ways. MIllions in the EU and America demand this. The US democrat party has made repeated attempts to make it illegal in the US to speak in a negative manner about islam. They obviously ran into first amendment problems with the new SCOTUS judge and can&#8217;t get the majority needed to put this through. If this ever passes, it&#8217;s the end of America as we know it. They will steam roll everything in their path.</p>
<p>If you never heard of the HLF trial several years ago you must live in a cave. Google it. Federal investigators looked into an organization with terrorist ties and come up with a box of worms. On a search warrant in Va., they recovered a document that showed how muslims including the muslim brotherhood have plans to take over the US. We are now in phase 4 of a 4 phase plan for your information. The MB (muslim brotherhood have people at our highest levels of govt since the Bush and Obama administrations). The MB is one of the major terrorist organizations in history according to most terrorism experts.</p>
<p>They will take us over by internal subversion, thousands of lawsuits, mass payoffs to political campaigns, common core doctrines, college campus muslim groups, hundreds of interrelated muslim legal, social and charity groups. You&#8217;ll eventually have thousands of muslim groups operating in every neighborhood and area of society and it will choke out the American way of life. Every time Americans agree not to do something they have always done then they win once again in their battle of sharia law. The muslims feel &#8220;offended&#8221; on a dialy basis for one reason. It&#8217;s the way to get the useful idiots to be dhimmmis (followers of islam by gutless people who do everything they are told by muslims so nothing offends them. Total bull.) Liberals love to let in millions of unchecked people regardless of the threat. Terrorism experts have stated many times they agree at least 15-20% of immigrants coming from the middle east are terrorists or are associated with terrorists.</p>
<p>Prince Alwaleed bin Talal of Saudi Arabia donated $32 Billion to muslim charities a couple of years ago and a sizeable portion of that will come to muslim causes in the US. The problem is, just like the &#8220;Holy Land Foundation&#8221; trial, the &#8220;holy&#8221; works aren&#8217;t always very &#8220;holy&#8221;. </p>
<p>This is only 0.001% of the information available on this subject. I didn&#8217;t even mention the fact that sharia law muslims here today treat women as low level citizens. Women can be raped and then be put to death for adultery, women are treated as third class citizens and are to walk behind men in some countries, women and girls are to receive genital mutilation, women may be beaten by husbands, women must be covered head to toe with only slits to breath and see out of. This is a major health problem in hot climates. They also have &#8220;honor killings&#8221;. The murder of innocent women by muslim men who thing they dishonored the family. Strange how liberal feminists never state one word about this being wrong. </p>
<p>Some more facts on whom you&#8217;re facing. Muslim teachings indicate they are to be engaged in &#8220;charity&#8221;. One of the areas of charity is jihad. It isn&#8217;t &#8220;personal struggle&#8221; as they claim. It&#8217;s the struggle to be at war with the world until muslims rule the world and their leaders are in charge. They are to go to all countries to be part of hijrah (world nation repopulation and eventual overthrow of all nations). They think their rulers and their allah will be in charge. They believe that through violence they will hasten the end of the world so they can be in charge. That&#8217;s why they do mass killings and murders. It&#8217;s part of their teachings. It&#8217;s not an extremist element. Ramadan is a time which you&#8217;ll always see an increase in mass killings. It&#8217;s a holy time. Part of the holy acts are to commit mass murder. It&#8217;s all part of becoming a martyr and go to paradise. I&#8217;ll show you what I mean. The next time they have a terrorist attack in the world, take news cameras and record an imam. Ask him to renounce violent jihad in all of it&#8217;s forms. Ask him and his people with him if they renounce the practice of jihad or holy war against the kafir. It is IMPOSSIBLE for them to say yes. They endorse jihad regardless of what they say about how sorry they are this all happened and it&#8217;s just a big misunderstanding about muslims. It&#8217;s in their doctrine and muhammed showed the way by murdering 100 people himself. It&#8217;s who they are and they will never change. The only change will be kafirs they convert. As soon as you realize this, the better off you&#8217;ll be. The terrorist who blows himself and others up or shoots or runs over others is only a fraction of a shade different than your buddy muslim who&#8217;s not doing that at the moment. They have the SAME belief system. Some agree to do jihad and others just help. How do all help with jihad? Very easy.Their donations required of them are used for charity. That includes the charity of jihad. It&#8217;s a founding principle of charity. Therefore, every true participating muslim who pays charity money (zaykat) as required is also helping to fund jihad. Pretty? No. Fact? Yes. They have billions of dollars per year for terrorism and Saudi Arabia (sunni) and Iran (shia) are the biggest funders in history. </p>
<p>I know not one in 50 mormons will agree with me and say I made it all up. I happen to be LDS. It&#8217;s more important to me to know the facts than to walk around saying &#8220;all is well&#8221;. I want to know exactly what is going on and do something about it. I won&#8217;t let my country be entered and taken over by blood thirsty, mass murdering terrorists in the name of PC. I think the lazy, weak, cowardly, unpatriotic mormons who have no spine or guts to fight for the truth are shameful and pathetic. If I&#8217;m the only mormon who will stand up to keep us free then so be it. Obviously, I&#8217;m the only one in the church whole isn&#8217;t righteous for daring to know the truth.</p>
<p>For all of you holy rollers who have your heads up your arm pits you can go jump in a lake. When your kids and grand kids plead with you and ask why they are now living as slaves under sharia law and have no religious freedom you can tell them you were belly crawling, cowards and too PC to do anything about it. You were too afraid and lazy to study the facts. Somebody told you it&#8217;s a great idea to have millions of people here as citizens who want to make you bow to their false god or kill or enslave you. What could possibly go wrong? You people who think this is a great idea are insane. I&#8217;m not going to let my family be destroyed and I do have the guts to fight it. </p>
<p>The self righteous can label me as an evil hater. Ya, that&#8217;s it. When faced with thousands of facts that make you uncomfortable you declare it as false and hate even though it&#8217;s all factual. No, I don&#8217;t hate muslims or anybody else. I just do meticulous research for 38 years in this area. I can lecture on this area for a week with little or no notes. The last time I read the scriptures (oh ya, you holy rollers, I know you&#8217;re so God Almighty righteous but even wicked heathens such as me read the scriptures. I&#8217;ve only read them about 30 times but I&#8217;m sure your 100% more holy and righteous than a fact finder like me, Do you pray to yourselves also? Just curious.)</p>
<p>Oh, ya. Only mentioned a very few things in this rant. I assume since some of you are so all knowing that you would of course know that the mufti (muslim ruler) of Jerusalem in WWII was a close personal friend of Adolph Hitler. And of course you know he visited Hitler on extended visits to Germany. You know he provided Hitler with the design and plans for the &#8220;final Solution&#8221;. Of course you know this is the design for the Nazi death camps for Jews, homosexuals, undesirables, enemies of the state and all others. BTW, I&#8217;m sure you also know next on the list for extermination was Mormons. Just saying. The mufti also had over 10,000 troops that were SS. That is the worst of the worst. Now I&#8217;m not saying any of the people I&#8217;ve mentioned are bad people. Oh, hell no. That would be just terrible to judge anybody. Right? That&#8217;s all I hear from the pulpit anymore. No judging. No judging. No judging. No judging. We&#8217;ll I don&#8217;t live in a bubble like politicians and church leaders with protection 24/7. I constantly judge if people or situations are safe. Real people have to judge every day. We also have to very carefully examine every person attempting to enter our country for any reason. We also need to stop immigration for 20 years. It&#8217;s been done before and we have tens of millions of Americans who are out of jobs. Jesus never said you had to drag people 10,000 miles around the world to help them. Send them aid and make the UN protect the refugee camps until they can return home. It&#8217;s been done for a century and has worked. To heck with letting anybody in here. Give the fleeing Christians special camps with protection by Christian troops. </p>
<p>One who makes my fellow mormons very upset because I have guts to speak the truth,</p>
<p>Sincerely,<br />
 The Fact Finder    #howdareyouspeakthetruth , #whogaveyoupermissiontospeakup , #hasyourstatementreceivedofficialapproval , #idoubtit , #terroristnationimmigrationissuicide , #somepeoplearetoostupidtolive</p>
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		By: Brian Hartman		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/muslims-allowed-use-lds-buildings/#comment-35689</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2017 23:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/muslims-allowed-use-lds-buildings/#comment-35638&quot;&gt;BellevueMember&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m not surprised by her comments, at all.  Just the same way many people are accepting of the islamic faith, a large portion of the nation are skeptical.  This is a tricky topic and one I don&#039;t believe anyone should be telling the other they are wrong about.  Probably best to be left for a case by case basis.  I wish it were as simple as loving you neighbor as yourself, but as gramps has said &quot;WE live in a fallen world.  Satan has a lot of influence over this world and he brings with him blood and horror. &quot;.  Although I do believe the spirit would protect the saints in these situations, I could see why people would being wary.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/muslims-allowed-use-lds-buildings/#comment-35638">BellevueMember</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not surprised by her comments, at all.  Just the same way many people are accepting of the islamic faith, a large portion of the nation are skeptical.  This is a tricky topic and one I don&#8217;t believe anyone should be telling the other they are wrong about.  Probably best to be left for a case by case basis.  I wish it were as simple as loving you neighbor as yourself, but as gramps has said &#8220;WE live in a fallen world.  Satan has a lot of influence over this world and he brings with him blood and horror. &#8220;.  Although I do believe the spirit would protect the saints in these situations, I could see why people would being wary.</p>
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		<link>https://askgramps.org/muslims-allowed-use-lds-buildings/#comment-35665</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Apr 2017 23:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Who is using the building?  A dirty rotten no good enemy of us and all that is holy? Or children of God. We think of things in a lot of different ways and one of the limitations is how we look at the question. To an extent we can only try to look at the question properly by looking at it in more than one way. Who is more important, children of our Heavenly Parents, or something which is a part of the world. Do we use our redeemer as a guide or do we allow the hate and frustration that is a part of this world to have undue influence over us.

The most dangerous lie is the one mixed with a measure of truth. It is true that there is a lot of things done by those who associate with Islam that we are, and should be, appalled by. Are there not things done by other groups that are hard to take. Are there members of the Church of Jesus Christ of latter day Saints that do things we are greatly hurt by? Is it a difference of degree or a difference of kind?

We are children of God. It is our highest and most praiseworthy title. We share that with all of our brothers and sisters. I am absolutely certain that those that decided upon this did it with fasting and prayer and guidance. Individuals who are watching to be as sure as they can to see it is done within the proper bounds.

Yes we are to make decisions on the things that happen in the world we live in. Within our limitations as mortal beings we make those decisions better when we use Christ as our exemplar.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?<br />
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.<br />
38 This is the first and great commandment.<br />
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.<br />
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.</p>
<p>Who is using the building?  A dirty rotten no good enemy of us and all that is holy? Or children of God. We think of things in a lot of different ways and one of the limitations is how we look at the question. To an extent we can only try to look at the question properly by looking at it in more than one way. Who is more important, children of our Heavenly Parents, or something which is a part of the world. Do we use our redeemer as a guide or do we allow the hate and frustration that is a part of this world to have undue influence over us.</p>
<p>The most dangerous lie is the one mixed with a measure of truth. It is true that there is a lot of things done by those who associate with Islam that we are, and should be, appalled by. Are there not things done by other groups that are hard to take. Are there members of the Church of Jesus Christ of latter day Saints that do things we are greatly hurt by? Is it a difference of degree or a difference of kind?</p>
<p>We are children of God. It is our highest and most praiseworthy title. We share that with all of our brothers and sisters. I am absolutely certain that those that decided upon this did it with fasting and prayer and guidance. Individuals who are watching to be as sure as they can to see it is done within the proper bounds.</p>
<p>Yes we are to make decisions on the things that happen in the world we live in. Within our limitations as mortal beings we make those decisions better when we use Christ as our exemplar.</p>
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		By: Corinne Lehr		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/muslims-allowed-use-lds-buildings/#comment-35644</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2017 07:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Not long ago, a local mosque held a &quot;meet your Muslim neighbor&quot; dinner and panel discussion. There wasn&#039;t enough space at the mosque and the event was hosted instead at one of our chapels. It was a wonderful event with opportunities to forge connections between faiths and with community leaders. Much good publicity for the church as well, even though that was not the main intent.
Yes - the main purpose of buildings is worship, but we can also use them to do good and show love. Christ reached out to the Samaritan ...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not long ago, a local mosque held a &#8220;meet your Muslim neighbor&#8221; dinner and panel discussion. There wasn&#8217;t enough space at the mosque and the event was hosted instead at one of our chapels. It was a wonderful event with opportunities to forge connections between faiths and with community leaders. Much good publicity for the church as well, even though that was not the main intent.<br />
Yes &#8211; the main purpose of buildings is worship, but we can also use them to do good and show love. Christ reached out to the Samaritan &#8230;</p>
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		By: Joel		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/muslims-allowed-use-lds-buildings/#comment-35640</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2017 22:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/muslims-allowed-use-lds-buildings/#comment-35626&quot;&gt;Robert&lt;/a&gt;.

Maybe it&#039;s been a while since your last temple recommend interview, but we&#039;re definitely not instructed to refrain from affiliating with other religions.  That&#039;s a terribly close-minded view for a member of a global church, especially one that was also subject to harsh persecution in its past.  The temple recommend interview question is in reference to affiliation with groups who&#039;s practices are opposed to the teachings of the church, like a polygamist sect or the like.  A far cry from the Christ-like actions of this congregation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/muslims-allowed-use-lds-buildings/#comment-35626">Robert</a>.</p>
<p>Maybe it&#8217;s been a while since your last temple recommend interview, but we&#8217;re definitely not instructed to refrain from affiliating with other religions.  That&#8217;s a terribly close-minded view for a member of a global church, especially one that was also subject to harsh persecution in its past.  The temple recommend interview question is in reference to affiliation with groups who&#8217;s practices are opposed to the teachings of the church, like a polygamist sect or the like.  A far cry from the Christ-like actions of this congregation.</p>
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		By: BellevueMember		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/muslims-allowed-use-lds-buildings/#comment-35638</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2017 06:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/muslims-allowed-use-lds-buildings/#comment-35600&quot;&gt;Tracie&lt;/a&gt;.

I am surprised by your commments. As someone who attends that building it is a great opportunity to share our building with them. There is a priesthood member in the room with them at all time and they use the outside door connected to that room. They have been great neighbors as we have had them over for various activities and have exchanged many holiday gifts and cards over the years. They have brought us gifts of thanks and met with our members to discus beliefs and conduct. They are great people and this is a wonderful opportunity to show Christlike love to those suffering in our community. I am honored and proud to belong to a ward and stake that shows love and caring to others in a way that is not just lip service. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/muslims-allowed-use-lds-buildings/#comment-35600">Tracie</a>.</p>
<p>I am surprised by your commments. As someone who attends that building it is a great opportunity to share our building with them. There is a priesthood member in the room with them at all time and they use the outside door connected to that room. They have been great neighbors as we have had them over for various activities and have exchanged many holiday gifts and cards over the years. They have brought us gifts of thanks and met with our members to discus beliefs and conduct. They are great people and this is a wonderful opportunity to show Christlike love to those suffering in our community. I am honored and proud to belong to a ward and stake that shows love and caring to others in a way that is not just lip service. </p>
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		By: Horace		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/muslims-allowed-use-lds-buildings/#comment-35635</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Horace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Apr 2017 07:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/muslims-allowed-use-lds-buildings/#comment-35600&quot;&gt;Tracie&lt;/a&gt;.

If it were really Muslims against everyone else, the conflict, and the world, would look much, much different.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/muslims-allowed-use-lds-buildings/#comment-35600">Tracie</a>.</p>
<p>If it were really Muslims against everyone else, the conflict, and the world, would look much, much different.</p>
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		By: Horace		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/muslims-allowed-use-lds-buildings/#comment-35634</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Horace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Apr 2017 07:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askgramps.org/muslims-allowed-use-lds-buildings/#comment-35626&quot;&gt;Robert&lt;/a&gt;.

If you have a concern about this please bring it up with your priesthood leader at the next temple recommend interview.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askgramps.org/muslims-allowed-use-lds-buildings/#comment-35626">Robert</a>.</p>
<p>If you have a concern about this please bring it up with your priesthood leader at the next temple recommend interview.</p>
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		By: Robert		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/muslims-allowed-use-lds-buildings/#comment-35626</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2017 20:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wonder how this fits in with the temple recommend interview question about refraining from affiliating with other religions, let alone supporting them with usage of sacred facilities that were built with tithing funds.  Are we at least correcting false doctrines with sharpness in the process?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how this fits in with the temple recommend interview question about refraining from affiliating with other religions, let alone supporting them with usage of sacred facilities that were built with tithing funds.  Are we at least correcting false doctrines with sharpness in the process?</p>
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		By: Sarah		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/muslims-allowed-use-lds-buildings/#comment-35601</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Mar 2017 02:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for this! We shared our stake center with a Jewish synagogue on their holidays when I was growing up. I think it is wonderful way to show love and respect for other faiths.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this! We shared our stake center with a Jewish synagogue on their holidays when I was growing up. I think it is wonderful way to show love and respect for other faiths.</p>
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		By: Tracie		</title>
		<link>https://askgramps.org/muslims-allowed-use-lds-buildings/#comment-35600</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Mar 2017 23:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am really being tried on this one. I would not at this point be comfortable sending one of my children/grandchildren to a church activity in that building, nor would I be comfortable there myself. I suppose if I knew this group were doing everything in their power to report other muslim mosque in the country who had a dark agenda against our citizens and country then vetted them out and stood shoulder to shoulder with America on this, I would feel different. But I have seen very few who Muslims who will stand against other muslims to stop terrorism. Where are the the ones who say our Constitution holds more weight that their Sharia Law. Show me those muslims and my opinion may change. Watch these videos about American history with Islam please. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htfX1FUuxGw also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlT1IXSv830&#038;t=137s]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am really being tried on this one. I would not at this point be comfortable sending one of my children/grandchildren to a church activity in that building, nor would I be comfortable there myself. I suppose if I knew this group were doing everything in their power to report other muslim mosque in the country who had a dark agenda against our citizens and country then vetted them out and stood shoulder to shoulder with America on this, I would feel different. But I have seen very few who Muslims who will stand against other muslims to stop terrorism. Where are the the ones who say our Constitution holds more weight that their Sharia Law. Show me those muslims and my opinion may change. Watch these videos about American history with Islam please. <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htfX1FUuxGw" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htfX1FUuxGw</a> also <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlT1IXSv830&#038;t=137s" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlT1IXSv830&#038;t=137s</a></p>
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